Session Start: Tue May 21 19:54:02 2019 Session Ident: #adf 25[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * Now talking in: #adf 25[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-t50kai.cable.rogers.com) joins #adf 28[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org 28[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net at Mon Aug 03 08:55:47 2015 29[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Owlhawk 29[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * #adf has modes: +nrt 29[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * #adf created on Tue May 14 19:41:15 2019 25[2019-05-21 19:54:06] * NathanLarge (NathanLarge@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 19:54:12] <@Rovena> We are fairly laid back here. 18[2019-05-21 19:54:15]  Hi Owlhawk, NathanLarge! 16[2019-05-21 19:54:21] <@Rovena> If you have a question, ask it. 21[2019-05-21 19:54:21] <@Owlhawk> hello 16[2019-05-21 19:54:25] <@Rovena> Hello Nathan 18[2019-05-21 19:54:31] <@Rovena> Hello Owlhawk 16[2019-05-21 19:54:38] <@Rovena> Go Khan! 16[2019-05-21 19:54:43]  Hello! 16[2019-05-21 19:55:02]  What usually happens here on tuesdays? 16[2019-05-21 19:55:37] <@Rovena> It really varies from week to wekk depending on who is here and what people have on their minds. 16[2019-05-21 19:55:42]  I got to go. the back yard needs a slight spiffy clean up. 26[2019-05-21 19:55:47] * jonathanallen (jonathanall@sorcery-6dpb90.lv.cox.net) parts #adf 25[2019-05-21 19:57:36] * Shaz (Shaz@sorcery-noir40.optusnet.com.au) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 19:57:42] <@Rovena> Hello Shaz 16[2019-05-21 19:57:47] <@Rovena> How are you 16[2019-05-21 19:58:09]  Hi Shaz! Same one we met at Wellspring (2 back)? 16[2019-05-21 19:58:20]  great, finally worked out the time zones again 16[2019-05-21 19:58:32]  I think so :) 16[2019-05-21 19:58:44]  Star says hello as well 16[2019-05-21 19:58:53]  awesome, Hi Star 16[2019-05-21 19:59:10] <@Rovena> Is there a time zone I should add to the announcements? 25[2019-05-21 19:59:45] * Treewalker (Treewalker@sorcery-86v.4i8.173.139.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 20:00:04]  I needed to look up what cities are in EST to be able to use the world clock 16[2019-05-21 20:00:14]  Hello 16[2019-05-21 20:00:22]  so, 8pm in New York 16[2019-05-21 20:00:36] <@Rovena> Hello Treewalker 16[2019-05-21 20:00:38]  @Rovena, Australian EST, I believe. ;) 16[2019-05-21 20:00:49]  it is Nathan 16[2019-05-21 20:00:50]  Welcome, Treewalker 16[2019-05-21 20:00:55] <@Rovena> thanks 16[2019-05-21 20:01:03]  Thanks! 16[2019-05-21 20:01:10]  it's 10 am Wednesday here in Melbourne 25[2019-05-21 20:02:11] * Star (Star@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 20:02:21]  Hi Hi :) 16[2019-05-21 20:02:24] <@Rovena> Hello Star 16[2019-05-21 20:02:27]  Hi!! 16[2019-05-21 20:02:34]  Hi Star 16[2019-05-21 20:02:38]  how are you all :) 16[2019-05-21 20:02:59]  Doing good. 16[2019-05-21 20:03:12]  great thanks 16[2019-05-21 20:03:12]  I'm good! Well, except that I've just discovered a change I made recently to some software introduced a bug, which I'm now trying to chase down in between talking here. :) 16[2019-05-21 20:03:20]  ack 27[2019-05-21 20:03:27] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-05-21 20:03:27]  ouch! 16[2019-05-21 20:03:35]  I'm happy to see they're considering a Discord channel/chat, but it's dangerous, considering I'll be tempted to RP at the same time. 16[2019-05-21 20:03:52]  I LOVE Discord 16[2019-05-21 20:03:54]  hahaha yes i bet Nathan 16[2019-05-21 20:04:13]  So you say nathan I can't drag you into RP to save my life at times 16[2019-05-21 20:04:18]  Speaking a trifle selfishly, I'd be sorry to see it, because it will mean even fewer people here. 25[2019-05-21 20:04:33] * Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) joins #adf 29[2019-05-21 20:04:38] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rovena 16[2019-05-21 20:04:39]  Or it might bring more here too 16[2019-05-21 20:04:43]  I don't understand, why is that Mouse? 16[2019-05-21 20:04:52]  possibly true, depending on the overlap 16[2019-05-21 20:05:11]  Star might be right, though what I fear is that people who would otherwise come here will instead go there. 16[2019-05-21 20:05:35]  at the same time Mouse discord is a 24/7 open chat 16[2019-05-21 20:05:43]  while this is really only tuesday's 16[2019-05-21 20:05:52]  Well, so is this; I've been here for almost all of the past week. 16[2019-05-21 20:05:56]  well the thing i like with irc is that so much is compatible with it. does discord work without installing it? 16[2019-05-21 20:06:00]  Just that there's usually nobody else here. 16[2019-05-21 20:06:13]  The Games & Play channel on Discord is dead most of the time, but then again, only a few active members 16[2019-05-21 20:06:27]  Treewalker, I don't know. 16[2019-05-21 20:06:36]  ok thanks 16[2019-05-21 20:06:50]  IRC is an open, and relatively well-documented, protocol. Is Discord? (That's an honest question; I don't know the answer.) 16[2019-05-21 20:07:27] <@Rovena> There is no printed Idiot's Guide to Discord but there are several for IRC 16[2019-05-21 20:07:29]  I've never checked if IRC works well on my phone 16[2019-05-21 20:07:35]  This may be my first time here, but i have used irc for years. i have a great app on my phone for it, and there is the webpage options here at adf.org 16[2019-05-21 20:07:52]  And before I came to ADF I never heard of IRC ever at all 16[2019-05-21 20:09:15]  Star, you're thinking that the Discord flavour might be the gateway drug? :) 16[2019-05-21 20:09:32]  It may be I can't seem to get away from it lol 16[2019-05-21 20:09:40] <@Rovena> When the GAel Kin wanted to have chats, several people said they wouldn't use IRC because it was too old school but I don't think they have shown up in the Discord chats, either. 16[2019-05-21 20:09:46]  Honestly though can more then one media outlet be a bad thing if it reaches many people 16[2019-05-21 20:10:17] <@Rovena> A lot more people complain about the platforms than use them. 16[2019-05-21 20:10:28]  good point star 16[2019-05-21 20:11:06]  Yes, Star...except to the extent that too much choice can mean scattered fragments instead of a cohesive community. Which would obtain in this case? I don't know. 16[2019-05-21 20:11:15]  Though, well, I already said what I fear. :) 16[2019-05-21 20:11:59]  I guess I'm just going by my experience as a media junkie I have facebook, IRC, and Discord all open at once oh and music in the background but I'm a multitasker 16[2019-05-21 20:12:46]  Old school, hah. I still remember early discussion groups on Telnet channels. 16[2019-05-21 20:13:11]  what is Telnet...? 16[2019-05-21 20:13:35] <@Rovena> One problem is that of having enough moderators to sit in the chat rooms. 16[2019-05-21 20:14:18]  That is a tricky problem Rovena 25[2019-05-21 20:14:24] * Drum (Drum@sorcery-k25.mvm.241.72.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 20:14:33]  It is true that is a tricky problem 16[2019-05-21 20:14:35]  Telnet is multiple things; most relevant here, it's a really REALLY rudimentary network protocol. 16[2019-05-21 20:14:36] <@Rovena> Hello Drum 16[2019-05-21 20:14:37]  Hi Drum! 16[2019-05-21 20:14:41]  Old internet protocol, before even TCP/IP or the WWW. 16[2019-05-21 20:14:41]  Hi Drum 16[2019-05-21 20:14:50]  oooh... 16[2019-05-21 20:14:52]  Telnet predates TCP?? 16[2019-05-21 20:15:09]  Were the first versions built atop NCP or something? 16[2019-05-21 20:15:21]  Yep, at least in my awareness of them. 16[2019-05-21 20:15:22]  Hi Drum :) 16[2019-05-21 20:15:32]  You are correct, Mouse. 16[2019-05-21 20:15:52]  Wow. Learn somethin' new every day. 16[2019-05-21 20:16:09]  I started with Oregon trail ... lol 16[2019-05-21 20:16:18]  I don't know anything about those things lol 16[2019-05-21 20:16:26]  Hey Drum. It's hopping tonight. 16[2019-05-21 20:17:31]  Hi!!! 16[2019-05-21 20:17:41]  Oh my goodness, it is! 16[2019-05-21 20:17:50]  It is, it is indeed! 16[2019-05-21 20:18:13]  Shaz LD 16[2019-05-21 20:18:21]  :) 16[2019-05-21 20:18:22]  Shaz :D 16[2019-05-21 20:18:30]  hehe 16[2019-05-21 20:18:42]  Sorry, typing in the dark 16[2019-05-21 20:19:07] <@Rovena> Why are you in the dark? 16[2019-05-21 20:19:22]  Diminished light 16[2019-05-21 20:19:31]  I was anxious to join the chat! 16[2019-05-21 20:19:39]  ...turning on lights... 16[2019-05-21 20:20:05] <@Rovena> Glad it wasn't a power outage 16[2019-05-21 20:20:13]  me too! 16[2019-05-21 20:20:23]  I was an hour late last week, was determined to work it out for this week 16[2019-05-21 20:20:45]  So good to see everyone! 16[2019-05-21 20:21:15]  This is the first time I've seen this laid out this way did IRC get an update? 16[2019-05-21 20:21:40]  You must be using Kiwi instead of Mibbit 16[2019-05-21 20:21:41]  IRC qua IRC didn't; your client may have. 16[2019-05-21 20:21:42]  Drum, I think you came in at the end of the talk about a Discord chat 16[2019-05-21 20:21:45]  not just me then Star? 16[2019-05-21 20:21:56]  oooo, what did I miss? 16[2019-05-21 20:22:08]  I saw it was on the Mother Grove agenda to consider 16[2019-05-21 20:22:13]  nope not just you I like the different look 16[2019-05-21 20:22:27]  Speculation that it would decrease the population here on IRC; speculation it would increase the population here on IRC.... 16[2019-05-21 20:23:11]  Yes, I brought it up here 16[2019-05-21 20:23:31]  There are membership issues with Discord, I have heard 16[2019-05-21 20:23:42]  What kind? 16[2019-05-21 20:23:53]  as in anyone could join vs only ADF? 27[2019-05-21 20:24:00] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-05-21 20:24:20]  Does Discord require some kind of membership in order to use it? 16[2019-05-21 20:24:45]  you sign up and you join or create a server 16[2019-05-21 20:24:52]  Basically that we would just want members to use it] 16[2019-05-21 20:24:59]  I have a server on my own in discord 16[2019-05-21 20:25:09]  well it's by invite really 16[2019-05-21 20:25:24]  I see 16[2019-05-21 20:25:25]  and you can set up a welcome page and block the others from anyone who is not a member 16[2019-05-21 20:25:26]  If you have to sign up, that makes it a nonstarter for me, because that means it's closed. 16[2019-05-21 20:25:44]  sign up is an email and create a password 16[2019-05-21 20:26:01]  Whether my absence is a benefit or detriment is a question I will not address. :-) 25[2019-05-21 20:26:15] * Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 20:26:16]  We are glad to have you here, Mouse 29[2019-05-21 20:26:20] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rovena 16[2019-05-21 20:26:32]  Thank you, Drum! 16[2019-05-21 20:26:36]  I like having you here :) 16[2019-05-21 20:26:42]  ^_^ 16[2019-05-21 20:26:55]  Shaz, I am working very hard to win the lottery so I can come to one of your Druid coffees 16[2019-05-21 20:26:57]  ;) 16[2019-05-21 20:27:20]  IF I win I'll share the wealth drum and we'll all go visit Shaz! :) 16[2019-05-21 20:27:25]  Now that would be grand Drum 16[2019-05-21 20:27:30]  Perfect! 16[2019-05-21 20:27:35]  Yay 16[2019-05-21 20:28:11]  I was explaining Australia to my Grandson the other evening 16[2019-05-21 20:28:27]  okay, good luck 16[2019-05-21 20:28:45]  We settled on "the Moon is upside down there" 16[2019-05-21 20:28:48]  I have never really been able to explain wombats 16[2019-05-21 20:29:14]  now, the moon is upside down where you are :P 16[2019-05-21 20:29:21]  Yes, true! 16[2019-05-21 20:29:49]  Actually, the Moon has two faces at the same time 16[2019-05-21 20:30:00]  indeed 16[2019-05-21 20:30:04]  Let's compromise. The moon is upside down midway between Drum's and Shaz's locations. :-) 16[2019-05-21 20:30:13]  lol 16[2019-05-21 20:30:14]  thanks Mouse 27[2019-05-21 20:30:30] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-05-21 20:30:38]  Australia has amazing marsupials! 16[2019-05-21 20:31:06]  We have opossum. They swam here from Australia 140 millions years ago 16[2019-05-21 20:31:30]  we have been seeing a lot more black wallabies this year because of the drought. They are moving south for more food 16[2019-05-21 20:31:36]  They are Nature Spirits 16[2019-05-21 20:31:44]  really? 16[2019-05-21 20:31:49]  Drought still? 16[2019-05-21 20:32:22]  still, not much rain over the autumn, our dam is really low 25[2019-05-21 20:32:40] * Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) joins #adf 29[2019-05-21 20:32:45] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rovena 16[2019-05-21 20:32:48]  We need to develop some rain workings 16[2019-05-21 20:32:59]  yes, we do 16[2019-05-21 20:33:22]  It hasn't even been that cold so far 16[2019-05-21 20:33:58]  the weather has been a challenge 16[2019-05-21 20:34:11]  here there has been some areas with way too much water 16[2019-05-21 20:34:12]  is it normal to have a drought at this time of year or is it out of character? 16[2019-05-21 20:34:12]  not just here 16[2019-05-21 20:34:58]  it's out of character, the summer was really hot and we would normally get some rain as we come into autumn 16[2019-05-21 20:35:24]  but drought is common here 16[2019-05-21 20:36:26]  hmmm :( 16[2019-05-21 20:36:37]  anyway.... 16[2019-05-21 20:36:50]  :( 16[2019-05-21 20:37:11]  Hmmm...maybe a call for rain prayers 16[2019-05-21 20:37:34]  But be careful; for example, we here in Ottawa, more rain is one of the last things we want. 16[2019-05-21 20:37:42]  Right 16[2019-05-21 20:38:02]  local, measured, 27[2019-05-21 20:38:18] * ConorWarren (ConorWarren@sorcery-64sn2t.or.frontiernet.net) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 25[2019-05-21 20:38:28] * ConorWarren (ConorWarren@sorcery-64sn2t.or.frontiernet.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 20:38:42] <@Rovena> WB Conor 16[2019-05-21 20:38:54]  WB! 16[2019-05-21 20:39:39]  world weather does seem to be going from one extreme to another, perhaps what we needs are some prayers to address that instead 16[2019-05-21 20:40:05] <@Rovena> I like how you think, Shaz 16[2019-05-21 20:40:27]  Thank you 16[2019-05-21 20:40:43]  Well, the weather is a chaotic system that has been settled in more or less the same strange attractor for a very long time. We (humanity) have been poking it and poking it and poking it, and it's finally starting to leave that attractor for portions of the phase space formerly unknown.... 16[2019-05-21 20:42:18]  Maybe we can work on it together? 16[2019-05-21 20:42:41]  we could :) 16[2019-05-21 20:42:47]  I do seem to recall that moderation is one of the Nine Virtues.... :) 16[2019-05-21 20:42:58]  Now if we can just get the weather to exhibit it! 16[2019-05-21 20:42:58]  yes 16[2019-05-21 20:43:26]  The weather considers itself moderate on the whole 16[2019-05-21 20:44:08]  "A statistician is someone whose head is in an oven and whose feet are in a bucket of ice and says "On the average, I feel fine"." :-) 16[2019-05-21 20:44:18]  lol 16[2019-05-21 20:44:29]  lol 16[2019-05-21 20:44:54]  haha 16[2019-05-21 20:44:56]  I'm having Unicorn Italian Ice :) 16[2019-05-21 20:45:47]  Anyway :) Hey Drum I'm back on track with my DP I took a small pause because I was getting a little frazzled I'm slowly working on my mental discipline 16[2019-05-21 20:46:02]  Good! 16[2019-05-21 20:46:09]  That is one of the hard ones 16[2019-05-21 20:46:17]  Sure is 16[2019-05-21 20:46:18]  It really is 16[2019-05-21 20:46:26]  I followed nathan's example 16[2019-05-21 20:47:02]  what did Nathan do that helped? 16[2019-05-21 20:47:02]  I may come up with a series of mental discipline exercises to help out 16[2019-05-21 20:47:03]  I pull three runes every sunday sit down read what they are and what they mean and then I ask my household seer what He see's and see if I get anywhere close to what he got 16[2019-05-21 20:47:04]  lol 16[2019-05-21 20:47:04]  As said example is off wandering, mentally. 16[2019-05-21 20:47:24]  I like it! 16[2019-05-21 20:47:53]  Anyone willing to try to some suggestions for mental discipline? The runes ones is brilliant 16[2019-05-21 20:48:11]  When I read the book there are like three or four different people talking about what the rune means to them for interpretations so I go with the one that calls to me 16[2019-05-21 20:48:37]  I don't know about trying but I'd love to hear the ideas? 16[2019-05-21 20:49:33]  Let me write the up formerly, but I will give you a hint here 16[2019-05-21 20:49:42]  okay? 25[2019-05-21 20:49:51] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 20:50:01] <@Rovena> Hello Warriordruid 16[2019-05-21 20:50:01]  Hi there 16[2019-05-21 20:50:12]  Hello, Warriordruid 27[2019-05-21 20:50:12] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 25[2019-05-21 20:50:29] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 20:50:42]  Hi all 16[2019-05-21 20:50:43]  Personally, I think I just need to meditate more. (Okay, to meditate more than very semi-occaionally.) 16[2019-05-21 20:51:50]  I think it is important to find an object of focus 16[2019-05-21 20:51:58]  For a while, I was squeezing in walking meditations during breaks at work. About 15 minutes, around the parking lot. 16[2019-05-21 20:52:34]  That's what helped me too Nathan 16[2019-05-21 20:52:52]  I can't meditate well... I mean I tried all formats I think if I remember correctly one... maybe two worked. I know ONE had me so violently frustrated and/or angry I couldn't keep doing it 16[2019-05-21 20:52:52]  I would suggest one of the Kindreds: Ancestors, Nature Spirits, and /or Shining Ones. Pick a category, pick an example, and repeat the name like a mantra, slowly and silently 16[2019-05-21 20:53:28]  Also, touching a tree is a great exercise, if you don't mind others seeing you do so 16[2019-05-21 20:53:40]  I started with walking meditation with bells on my ankles. Helped me to focus 16[2019-05-21 20:53:50]  Sit by the tree, touch it if you like, and listen 16[2019-05-21 20:54:02]  5 minutes at first, and longer if you can 16[2019-05-21 20:54:31]  I started with what I now think of as the Two Powers meditation, but guided. I find guided meditation much easier than self-guided, and even now I find empty-mind meditation borderline impossible. 16[2019-05-21 20:54:32]  even in your back garden, for those with a plenitude of trees in said garden 16[2019-05-21 20:54:52]  :) 16[2019-05-21 20:54:55]  empty-mind IS very difficult 16[2019-05-21 20:54:57]  I love my trees 16[2019-05-21 20:55:01]  :D 16[2019-05-21 20:55:14]  There are a few trees around. I tried to combo them with Ogham study where possible. 16[2019-05-21 20:55:20]  Listen to the wind through the leaves and branches - an amazing meditative experience 16[2019-05-21 20:55:36]  I just can't sit still for it and the mantra is the one that had me so agitated I wanted to throw something 16[2019-05-21 20:55:49]  I agree about empty mind, I see why so many new to meditation give up 16[2019-05-21 20:55:50]  I do love the singing ones though 16[2019-05-21 20:56:47]  Right, I think we need to diminish the expectation of empty mind 16[2019-05-21 20:56:58]  Please 16[2019-05-21 20:56:59]  The very first meditation I ever did, though, was t'ai chi form practice. 16[2019-05-21 20:58:03]  Excellent 16[2019-05-21 20:58:37]  One of the best things I ever learned at a summer camp was creative visualization. I was sent to odd camps, though. 16[2019-05-21 20:58:42]  I have to leave I'm afraid, but now I have the time zone worked out I should be able to be here more often 27[2019-05-21 20:58:56] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-05-21 20:58:57]  Aw. Good morning, Shaz! 16[2019-05-21 20:59:10]  Thanks Nathan :) 16[2019-05-21 20:59:17]  As do I - I have a working session to attend. Great seeing everyone! 16[2019-05-21 20:59:27] <@Rovena> Night you two 16[2019-05-21 20:59:34]  Have a nice evening everyone 27[2019-05-21 20:59:35] * Drum (Drum@sorcery-k25.mvm.241.72.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 27[2019-05-21 20:59:39] * Shaz (Shaz@sorcery-noir40.optusnet.com.au) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-05-21 21:00:18]  bye Shaz! 16[2019-05-21 21:00:23]  oopps missed her :( 25[2019-05-21 21:00:24] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 21:01:10] <@Rovena> WB Warriordruid 16[2019-05-21 21:01:30]  I missed a lot, my dinner got here and I chowed down. 16[2019-05-21 21:01:43]  eating is important though 16[2019-05-21 21:01:53] <@Rovena> Definitely, it is 16[2019-05-21 21:02:51]  When i was in the service we learned the 3 breath method breath in thru the nose exhale thru the mouth in 3 seperate 4 second exhales 16[2019-05-21 21:03:00]  First time eating today, my partner went on a work trip and it turns out I don't eat regularly if someone else isn't here to feed 16[2019-05-21 21:04:00] <@Rovena> My husband is the same way. 16[2019-05-21 21:04:54]  Nathan's that way 16[2019-05-21 21:05:22]  Not exactly, only when writing. True that I eat more when sharing. 16[2019-05-21 21:05:44]  He writes the world is lost to him 16[2019-05-21 21:05:57]  What do you write Nathan? 16[2019-05-21 21:06:52]  Yes? ;) 16[2019-05-21 21:07:40]  What type of thing books poems songs 16[2019-05-21 21:08:02]  Etc 16[2019-05-21 21:08:05]  Essays, speculative fiction, poetry (mostly doggerel), mythic retellings, game books... 27[2019-05-21 21:08:13] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 25[2019-05-21 21:08:19] * Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) joins #adf 29[2019-05-21 21:08:27] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rovena 16[2019-05-21 21:08:28]  Only getting paid so far for adventure fantasy 16[2019-05-21 21:08:48]  Oh WB Rovena 16[2019-05-21 21:08:54] <@Rovena> TY 16[2019-05-21 21:09:16]  Cool man never could write 16[2019-05-21 21:09:16]  And he has some writing in the oakleaves 16[2019-05-21 21:09:34]  Trying to sell some self-published space opera, slow going 16[2019-05-21 21:10:22]  Well bit of advice i can give you is amazon will sell anything for a price of the sale 16[2019-05-21 21:10:38]  That's one of the venues, yes, Kindle Direct 16[2019-05-21 21:11:02]  I sell my blades there and some of my guns minus firing pin so its legal 16[2019-05-21 21:11:39]  A Grovemate keeps trying to set me up with publishers, but they never call back. The supply for books is far higher than the demand. :( 16[2019-05-21 21:11:49]  If ever you want custom blades im a master Blacksmith 16[2019-05-21 21:12:38]  Well keep trying dont give up ill read em or buy em if you s 16[2019-05-21 21:13:08]  Star has me set up with a personal ritual sword, but good to know. 16[2019-05-21 21:13:10]  end me the link i love reading its how i learn 16[2019-05-21 21:13:32]  Mos def 16[2019-05-21 21:14:29]  Link sent. Also, if you don't get Oak Leaves, I'll give a biased plug. 16[2019-05-21 21:15:16]  Have to decide what to submit for future issues. The serial story ends this season with part 4 of 4. 16[2019-05-21 21:15:16]  The druid sygil is refered to alot what is it? 16[2019-05-21 21:17:44]  In the dedicant path i mean not your book 16[2019-05-21 21:18:31]  Was hoping someone could field that. I'm not sure. Several things it could mean. 16[2019-05-21 21:19:13]  I thought it was the light of Awen or the sigil for the Shining Ones, Nature Spirits, and Ancestors, depending 16[2019-05-21 21:20:33]  Right, first thought was the three-fold symbol Ian Corrigan designed, the three Kindred symbolized 16[2019-05-21 21:20:59]  Yeah, those are the two circumstances I've seen in the time I've been with ADF 16[2019-05-21 21:21:43]  Ok 16[2019-05-21 21:22:02]  Or the circle-with-two-lines, the one that's drawn as a 'gate' symbol 16[2019-05-21 21:22:54]  Shows up a few places, particularly I'm finding cited by Isaac Bonewits 16[2019-05-21 21:22:59]  That one I've seen a lot less 16[2019-05-21 21:23:23]  Various interpretations: wreath and two staves, fire and well, doors to a barrow... 25[2019-05-21 21:23:50] * Thexalon (Thexalon@sorcery-f6h5f1.res.rr.com) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 21:24:00] <@Rovena> Hello Thexalon 16[2019-05-21 21:24:00]  Hey, let's ask Thexalon. 16[2019-05-21 21:24:01]  For what it may be worth, "druid sigil" does not bring any specific thing to mind for me. 16[2019-05-21 21:24:09]  Hello everyone! What am I being asked? 16[2019-05-21 21:24:14]  Hi Thexalon! 16[2019-05-21 21:24:21] <@Rovena> The lottery winning numbers 16[2019-05-21 21:24:26]  lol 16[2019-05-21 21:24:39]  All the things. Current question is what is meant by "the druid sigil", esp. in the Dedicant literature. We have three guesses so far. 27[2019-05-21 21:24:50] * Treewalker (Treewalker@sorcery-86v.4i8.173.139.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-05-21 21:24:51]  ...we need another six. 16[2019-05-21 21:24:52]  :) 27[2019-05-21 21:24:59] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-05-21 21:25:01]  :nodnod: 16[2019-05-21 21:25:25]  GOD IS DEAD, BURN DOWN THE GRANARIES THE CONNECTIONS ARE FALLING 16[2019-05-21 21:25:28]  Where in the Dedicant book? I have 2 guesses. 16[2019-05-21 21:26:27]  Oh, I see the reference. Almost definitely this: https://www.adf.org/system/files/public/articles/working/sigils/world_tree.png 25[2019-05-21 21:27:21] * Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) joins #adf 29[2019-05-21 21:27:26] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rovena 16[2019-05-21 21:27:38]  Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of 16[2019-05-21 21:28:17]  The other contender would be the circle with 2 lines down the middle, but since it's mentioned in the context of a triple symbol, that one makes sense. 27[2019-05-21 21:28:27] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-05-21 21:28:39]  Which part of it in the DP is it even? 16[2019-05-21 21:29:04]  Gods above, I need to finish the DP so I can start the CTP and get my endorsement stuff started. 16[2019-05-21 21:29:51]  Describing an appropriate talisman / token for taking your oath, chapter 13. 16[2019-05-21 21:30:13]  I've been trying to finish the DP for two years + 16[2019-05-21 21:30:27]  That was 2 of the 3 guesses, the other was the Awen. 16[2019-05-21 21:30:27]  I've been trying since. . .2012. . .since I was 19 x3 16[2019-05-21 21:30:53]  No worries - it took me about 5 years after joining the org, which was a year after I started attending Stone Creed rites. 16[2019-05-21 21:31:10]  my focus is not very good 16[2019-05-21 21:31:11]  heh 16[2019-05-21 21:31:28]  It might bite me in the butt since I'm trying to do a CPE program and get BCCI certification 25[2019-05-21 21:33:33] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) joins #adf 27[2019-05-21 21:35:28] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 25[2019-05-21 21:35:58] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 21:36:08]  The other questions I can answer are Wellspring-related, if there are any of those floating around. 27[2019-05-21 21:37:09] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-05-21 21:37:52]  I gotta work all weekend :( 16[2019-05-21 21:38:13]  we were gonna try to come up saturday but no go :( 16[2019-05-21 21:40:22]  @Star That's no fun. 16[2019-05-21 21:41:17] <@Rovena> The wind is picking up here so I will say good night. 16[2019-05-21 21:41:29] <@Rovena> See y'all next time. 16[2019-05-21 21:41:49]  Night! Be safe. No Tornadoes. 27[2019-05-21 21:41:51] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-s1mtv9.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-05-21 21:42:20]  HUZZAH, I HAVE ACQUIRED BEER 16[2019-05-21 21:45:53]  The whole job has turned into anxiety 16[2019-05-21 21:46:06]  Oh no! What do you do? 16[2019-05-21 21:47:14]  It's a supervisor that is making my life a living hell the job is good otherwise 16[2019-05-21 21:47:17]  at least till I finish school 16[2019-05-21 21:48:32]  I've encountered supervisors like that. They're usually angling to convince you to leave for reasons that aren't legitimate. 16[2019-05-21 21:48:57]  Yeah, it is like some of the shittier boyfriends I had 16[2019-05-21 21:49:28]  They are assholes to you because they don't have the guts to break up so they are mean to you till you choose to break up with them 16[2019-05-21 21:49:56]  yes well she is the one that controls whether I get insurance or not by the fact that if she doesn't approve my position there I can't have it 16[2019-05-21 21:50:02]  it's a bloody mess 25[2019-05-21 21:51:25] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-21 21:52:12]  What sort of centering and spiritual practices are you using to cope with these trying times? 16[2019-05-21 21:52:48]  Asking Star or all of us? 16[2019-05-21 21:52:49]  .... 16[2019-05-21 21:53:43]  everyone at work thinks I'm using Om or my humming are my coping but really nothing I just focus on my work 16[2019-05-21 21:53:49]  Star specifically but if anyone wants to chime in 16[2019-05-21 21:54:47]  at this moment crying after work mostly 16[2019-05-21 21:55:04]  That's my big one, keep my focus tight and watch for moveable targets within reach. 16[2019-05-21 21:55:31]  Star, that sounds like a really heavy burden to lug around 16[2019-05-21 21:55:46]  Are there things that we, your community, could do to help lift that burden a bit? 16[2019-05-21 21:55:50]  Occasionally, try to put everything into perspective. The Ancestors help there: "You think it's worse for you now?" 16[2019-05-21 21:56:41]  I have no idea to be very honest, my manager is a push over and lets this supervisor walk all over him 16[2019-05-21 21:56:41]  he wont stand up to her 16[2019-05-21 21:57:11]  It sounds like you feel very isolated and unprotected at work 16[2019-05-21 21:57:41]  could say that though everyone is really nice to me about it except for this supervisor 16[2019-05-21 21:58:08]  Does people being nice to you make you feel supported and protected? 27[2019-05-21 21:58:26] * Warriordruid (Warriordrui@sorcery-mpq.fau.56.172.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-05-21 21:59:07]  no 16[2019-05-21 21:59:19]  do you want to hear what happened it's a bit long but I can tell ya 16[2019-05-21 21:59:33]  One spiritual practice I definitely use in trying times: Divination. Knowing that your spiritual guidance is telling you to either make a change or stay the course can help a lot. 16[2019-05-21 21:59:37]  So in this situation would it be fair to say that pleasantries aren't really helping? 16[2019-05-21 21:59:50]  Sure, I'd be happy to hear it if everyone else is. 16[2019-05-21 22:00:01]  ever sunday I pull runes every sunday it's about this woman 16[2019-05-21 22:00:44]  Thexalon, that's what I did. I was wildly uncertain about a certain decision, did divination and up pops the world card. Which was scary, but also reassuring. 16[2019-05-21 22:01:29]  Sometimes though, I think we need support from our embodied people communities in addition to our ones on the other side. And Star, I'm hearing that would probably be helpful to you right now 16[2019-05-21 22:01:29]  the runes just keep telling me be careful about her 16[2019-05-21 22:01:59]  That seems pretty clear for now. 16[2019-05-21 22:02:16]  Unfortunately, I am going to have to duck off now. I've got to get sleep - guests start arriving tomorrow. 26[2019-05-21 22:02:33] * Thexalon (Thexalon@sorcery-f6h5f1.res.rr.com) parts #adf 16[2019-05-21 22:02:33]  Good luck, 16[2019-05-21 22:03:23]  Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for Marvin I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to paitents, she waved it off t 16[2019-05-21 22:03:23]  hen went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell Rob that (Rob is the manager) 16[2019-05-21 22:03:23]  Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for Marvin I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to paitents, she waved it off t 16[2019-05-21 22:03:23]  hen went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell Rob that (Rob is the manager) 16[2019-05-21 22:03:23]  Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for Marvin I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to paitents, she waved it off t 16[2019-05-21 22:03:23]  hen went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell Rob that (Rob is the manager) 16[2019-05-21 22:03:23]  Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for the other guy, I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to patients, 16[2019-05-21 22:03:30]  um wow 16[2019-05-21 22:03:35]  I only wrote once... 16[2019-05-21 22:03:44]  sorry 16[2019-05-21 22:03:50]  The perils of IRC 16[2019-05-21 22:04:03]  No need to say sorry, not your fault yeah? 16[2019-05-21 22:04:19]  she waved it off then went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell my manager that 16[2019-05-21 22:04:38]  She got pissy at that point and told me Esmarelda can do that and kept saying it getting louder each time till Esmeralda looked up two tables away and asked her why she kept saying her name then she got insulting saying you need to stop standing around at cart 5; I never do so I say so she gets pissy says I don't wanna hearit stop talking I can't 16[2019-05-21 22:04:38]  just stop 16[2019-05-21 22:05:01]  At this point everyone can hear her 16[2019-05-21 22:05:01]  I leave my lunch untouched because I'm to sick to eat any more and went back to work 10 minutes into my lunch 16[2019-05-21 22:05:01]  the next day she won't talk to me is being a passive aggressive bitch, saying things like well at least I didn't get glass in the food (You remember that situation broke me up inside and she went that low) 16[2019-05-21 22:05:01]  She's pissed off I have no idea why but anytime I ask her a question about work related things she's hollering "Ask rob I don't know anything go ask the manager I can't help you" 16[2019-05-21 22:05:01]  this goes on for a WEEK 16[2019-05-21 22:06:53]  I had an issue with my sanitizer tub not reading the right alkaline reading I went to my manager first and he was in a meeting so I went to her she does this again after a week of it over and over and over again I finally snapped told her stop acting like a fucking bitch and do your job you are a supervisor and I'm trying to do my job. She starts s 16[2019-05-21 22:06:53]  creaming back at me saying you're lying and telling people that I denied you a lunch (never once said that I said she made me too sick to finish my lunch) and it is a screaming match between us I told her to stop being a fucking bitch once more and walked away just as my manager was coming over 16[2019-05-21 22:07:10]  After easter I tried to make amends and told her that I hoped she had a good easter she screamed at me "Don't be nice to me I have no reason to have you be nice to me" 16[2019-05-21 22:07:10]  Then Rob had a mediation with us and the HR director and him 16[2019-05-21 22:07:10]  she refused to come to it cried and screamed throwing a fucking temper tantrum 16[2019-05-21 22:07:10]  then when they finally got in the office she shifted gears asking why I was allowed to steal someone elses shift and it isn't fair that seniority should prevail and on and on when I finally got the chance to talk she interrupted me played dumb and at the end of the mediation threw her badge at Rob and said she quit 16[2019-05-21 22:07:11]  They ran after her and begged her to stay 16[2019-05-21 22:07:11]  this is still going on a Month after I have even apologized and she told me It should have been addressed two days after it happened and stormed away 16[2019-05-21 22:07:35]  Yesterday I was in my area and not talking to her except when I need to and she comes back to my area and sees a co-worker starts talking to her and says "I miss you I wish you'd work with me again, I would rather work with Anyone else 16[2019-05-21 22:07:35]  it just doesn't stop 16[2019-05-21 22:08:01]  and then today I found out I can't get a part time 30 which would get me insurance because she is a deciding factor in it 16[2019-05-21 22:15:36]  and with that I have killed the room ... sorry 27[2019-05-21 22:16:27] * NathanLarge (NathanLarge@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 27[2019-05-21 22:16:27] * ConorWarren (ConorWarren@sorcery-64sn2t.or.frontiernet.net) has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 27[2019-05-21 22:17:36] * Star (Star@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 25[2019-05-21 22:21:16] * Star (Star@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) joins #adf 27[2019-05-21 22:21:26] * Star (Star@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)