Session Start: Tue May 14 19:46:21 2019 Session Ident: #adf 25[2019-05-14 19:46:21] * Now talking in: #adf 25[2019-05-14 19:46:21] * Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-t50kai.cable.rogers.com) joins #adf 28[2019-05-14 19:46:26] * Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org 28[2019-05-14 19:46:27] * Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net at Mon Aug 03 08:55:47 2015 29[2019-05-14 19:46:27] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Owlhawk 29[2019-05-14 19:46:27] * #adf has modes: +nrt 29[2019-05-14 19:46:27] * #adf created on Tue May 14 19:41:15 2019 25[2019-05-14 19:58:19] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 19:58:43] <@Rovena> Hello StarQuake 16[2019-05-14 19:58:43]  Hello Rovena 16[2019-05-14 19:58:58]  How is life? 16[2019-05-14 19:59:02] <@Rovena> How are you tonight? 16[2019-05-14 19:59:17]  Good 16[2019-05-14 19:59:43] <@Rovena> No rain for two days. None expected until Saturday evening. Loving it. 16[2019-05-14 20:00:22] <@Rovena> Grove will get to do some work in the grove at the church on Saturday afternoon 16[2019-05-14 20:01:02]  That is good, rain is always a good thing. 16[2019-05-14 20:01:18]  Not an extreme amount but it helps cool things down a lot 16[2019-05-14 20:01:46] <@Rovena> True. But we need it more spread out through the summer. I hate burn bans 25[2019-05-14 20:02:20] * NathanLarge (NathanLarge@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 20:02:34] <@Rovena> Hello Nathan 16[2019-05-14 20:02:39] <@Rovena> How are you tonight? 16[2019-05-14 20:02:56]  Hello! Coming in at the beginning instead of halfway through as usual. 16[2019-05-14 20:03:28] <@Rovena> We don't care when you show up so long as we get to talk to you 16[2019-05-14 20:03:51]  I'm pretty good, on a rest break between projects before I start pushing again. 16[2019-05-14 20:04:47] <@Rovena> Understand that. 16[2019-05-14 20:08:09] <@Rovena> I am helping the local U U church go thru their backlog of paper files. 16[2019-05-14 20:08:48] <@Rovena> I have permission to reduce copies to 1 - 3 copies depending on what it is and the condition. 16[2019-05-14 20:09:12]  No fun, but necessary. Not going to scan them to digital, then? 16[2019-05-14 20:09:16] <@Rovena> I haven't been told about purging the financial stuff which goes back to 1989 16[2019-05-14 20:10:07] <@Rovena> I am hoping to get to scan them but the Board hasn't decided yet. 16[2019-05-14 20:11:09] <@Rovena> Paper records in this huimidity is a molod waiting to happen. 27[2019-05-14 20:15:50] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 25[2019-05-14 20:16:09] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 20:16:16] <@Rovena> WB 16[2019-05-14 20:16:19]  Ty 16[2019-05-14 20:16:41] <@Rovena> Sad about Doris Day and Tim Conway. 16[2019-05-14 20:18:31]  Mourning them and a Chinese buffet restaurant today. The restaurant was decent and a short walk from our home. Burned out completely. 16[2019-05-14 20:19:50] <@Rovena> Oh, no! A good Chinese buffet is hard to find. 16[2019-05-14 20:19:59] <@Rovena> Hope no one was injuried in the fire. 16[2019-05-14 20:22:21] <@Rovena> I have to get busy tomorrow writing my next article for the regional newsletter. 25[2019-05-14 20:23:06] * ConorWarren (ConorWarren@sorcery-64sn2t.or.frontiernet.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 20:23:21] <@Rovena> Hello Conor 16[2019-05-14 20:23:26] <@Rovena> How are you tonight? 16[2019-05-14 20:23:29]  Howdy! 16[2019-05-14 20:23:48]  I just finished up writing a 1,000 word post for a seminary class, so I needed a bit of a break 16[2019-05-14 20:24:18]  And then I saw that this was tonight so I figured I'd pop in! 16[2019-05-14 20:25:06] <@Rovena> Glad to have you. I can imagine that you would need a break after a 1,000 words. 16[2019-05-14 20:25:48]  I still have to generate a transcript of a nearly two hour care conversation too, but that's Friday Conor's problem :D 16[2019-05-14 20:26:01]  How're y'all? 16[2019-05-14 20:26:54] <@Rovena> Enjoying the nice weather before the rains return on Saturday night 16[2019-05-14 20:27:34]  no, no injuries, thank goodness. We know some of the business owners in the same plaza. Only smoke damage for most of them. 16[2019-05-14 20:27:55]  Good evening, Conor 16[2019-05-14 20:29:49]  Evening, Nathan 16[2019-05-14 20:30:56] <@Rovena> I hate building fires. I once turned down a great apartment because while touring it I saw flames in the hallway. 6 months later it did burn. I don't see things very often but I never ignore them. 21[2019-05-14 20:32:04] <@Owlhawk> the Sight is never an enjoyable afflication 16[2019-05-14 20:33:10]  I'm with you. I've been in my home when a fire started. It laughed at me and told me to leave before it finished eating. 16[2019-05-14 20:37:00]  Hope I never have that happen! The house we were renting before we bought the one we are in I thought for a very long time was haunted (for reasons) and come to find out the owner had died in it of cancer about a year and a half before we moved in. 16[2019-05-14 20:39:45] <@Rovena> That can happen. 16[2019-05-14 20:40:38] <@Rovena> The local U U church is very haunted. Everybody hears things there. Always when you are alone in the building. 21[2019-05-14 20:41:11] <@Owlhawk> There are cleansing and blessing rites intended for cleansing homes.... 16[2019-05-14 20:41:53] <@Rovena> The ones at the church are friendly enough so we let them be. 16[2019-05-14 20:42:01]  Eh, she was there first, I figured. And we were mostly just inconvenienced but not harmed 27[2019-05-14 20:45:08] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 25[2019-05-14 20:45:51] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #adf 27[2019-05-14 20:47:11] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-05-14 20:47:16] <@Rovena> Seems you have my usual bouncing problem tongiht, StarQuake 25[2019-05-14 20:47:19] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 20:48:02] <@Rovena> WB 16[2019-05-14 20:50:56]  Ty 16[2019-05-14 20:56:19] <@Rovena> So, is there anything on people's mind to talk about? 16[2019-05-14 20:57:32]  Today I've been thinking about the dangers of over anthropomorphizing our deities and the likelihood of relative omnipresence of many spiritual entities 27[2019-05-14 20:57:50] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16[2019-05-14 20:59:15] <@Rovena> Interesting and quite possible. 21[2019-05-14 20:59:48] <@Owlhawk> also extremely easy to over think and get carried away with 16[2019-05-14 21:00:07]  I think relative omnipresence is really quite likely. If Zeus is in the rain, he is in all rain, yeah? 16[2019-05-14 21:00:08] <@Rovena> Very true. 25[2019-05-14 21:00:30] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 21:00:38]  Well, I'd rather overthink it than the opposite. 16[2019-05-14 21:00:55] <@Rovena> Maybe not. 16[2019-05-14 21:01:02]  Sorry about that, trying to modify IRC client settings 16[2019-05-14 21:01:33] <@Rovena> The rain here in my area will have a different chemical makeup than the rain in Moscow 16[2019-05-14 21:01:47] <@Rovena> No Problem, StarQuake. 16[2019-05-14 21:01:48]  Plus, if there isn't relative omnipresence it would imply that two groups of worshipers conducting simultaneous rites have to compete for the presence of the deity. Then that turns into a whole problematic thing 16[2019-05-14 21:02:29]  I mean, that's true, but to what degree does the particularities of an element matter in regards to divine expression? 21[2019-05-14 21:02:30] <@Owlhawk> you're assuming Zeus needs to be in the rain to be present. I would look at that as a major error and underestimating the power of a God, let alone the King of the Gods 21[2019-05-14 21:02:53] <@Owlhawk> I would think the element matters not at all 16[2019-05-14 21:03:16]  Zeus is the rain, the rain is Zeus. I believe the holy suffuses the entirety of our existence 16[2019-05-14 21:03:29] <@Rovena> Isn't that part of the reason for ReCreating the Cosmo - so that all times are now and all places are here. 21[2019-05-14 21:03:31] <@Owlhawk> No. Zeus is not the Rain 21[2019-05-14 21:04:03] <@Owlhawk> Zeus is King of the Gods, God of Lightening, Storms, Justice, etc 21[2019-05-14 21:04:34] <@Owlhawk> He is not the rain. He controls the storm that creates the rain. Totally different idea. 16[2019-05-14 21:04:36]  You are pointing towards some of the problems I see with over anthropomorphization of the divine 16[2019-05-14 21:05:03]  But I'm not really talking about Zeus here, I'm talking about presence 16[2019-05-14 21:05:27]  Vesta is the hearth flame and the hearth flame is Vesta is another example one could use 21[2019-05-14 21:05:33] <@Owlhawk> yuou used Zeus as your example 16[2019-05-14 21:06:14]  Yes, I did. But I'm not really talking about Zeus specifically, I'm talking about the concept of presence and using Zeus to illustrate the point. 21[2019-05-14 21:06:56] <@Owlhawk> Over analyizing the Gods and how they fit into our modern reality, and then saying it's antropomorphization, says to me that the person making the arguement does not want the Gods present in their life. 21[2019-05-14 21:07:16] <@Owlhawk> And I used Zeus to disprove your point 16[2019-05-14 21:07:26]  That's a really flimsy line of logic. 27[2019-05-14 21:07:31] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 25[2019-05-14 21:07:49] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 21:08:03]  Hold on need to adjust settings again 21[2019-05-14 21:08:12] <@Owlhawk> and that statement means nothing 16[2019-05-14 21:08:47]  And what I'm arguing is directly contrary to the idea that the gods are not present in one's life. I'm saying they are ever present. 21[2019-05-14 21:09:14] <@Owlhawk> go and read my statements again 16[2019-05-14 21:09:21]  Nah fam, I'm good 21[2019-05-14 21:09:35] <@Owlhawk> I never denied that the Gods are present in our Lives. I KNOW that they are 16[2019-05-14 21:10:01]  Ok I think that should help with the dc’ing 21[2019-05-14 21:10:14] <@Owlhawk> What did you change? 16[2019-05-14 21:10:56]  I changed the time stamp to 24 hour format and when I did it dc’ed me 16[2019-05-14 21:11:03] <@Rovena> Yes, what did you change? I may need to know in the future 16[2019-05-14 21:11:03]  It’s probably a bug 16[2019-05-14 21:11:32]  The client is buggy so I’m not surprised. 16[2019-05-14 21:13:01]  Yeah, my partner makes fun of us for using IRC, lol 16[2019-05-14 21:13:24]  He's all about discord 16[2019-05-14 21:14:01] <@Rovena> Both are good platforms. 16[2019-05-14 21:14:43] <@Rovena> I don't know how to log the Discord texts without doing the cut/paste routine 16[2019-05-14 21:14:53]  I use discord almost exclusively for gaming. 16[2019-05-14 21:15:02] <@Rovena> Haven't found an Idiot's Guide to Discord 16[2019-05-14 21:15:21]  Yeah, that's the problem right? It makes it way harder to make publicly available logs with discord 16[2019-05-14 21:15:22]  Isn't that the Principia Discordia? 16[2019-05-14 21:15:40] <@Rovena> The Gael Kin has a chat on it. 16[2019-05-14 21:15:44]  *groans from the audience* 16[2019-05-14 21:15:59] <@Rovena> I like that if something is posted when I am not present I can still see it when I log in 16[2019-05-14 21:16:30]  Yeah, it makes it hard to just pop into the conversation on here 16[2019-05-14 21:17:40] <@Rovena> Every platform has its strengths and weaknesses 16[2019-05-14 21:18:12]  Not platform 9 3/4 16[2019-05-14 21:18:46] <@Rovena> Ah but it was sealed once 16[2019-05-14 21:19:15]  Damn! 16[2019-05-14 21:20:09]  I’m ok with whatever platform everyone wants to use. IRC isn’t perfect but at least it works 16[2019-05-14 21:20:41]  Do you know if any of the other kins have dedicated channels on discord? 16[2019-05-14 21:20:45]  However I haven’t used Discord or Zoom so if everyone decides its easier, it may be something to consider 16[2019-05-14 21:21:08]  My seminary uses Zoom all the time 16[2019-05-14 21:21:16] <@Rovena> No, Conor, I don't know. 16[2019-05-14 21:21:54] <@Rovena> I can't do much with Zoom as I don't have reliable enough connectivity to do audio and video 16[2019-05-14 21:22:23]  And it has that 30 minute time limit unless you wanna pay 16[2019-05-14 21:22:46]  I don’t know who’s running a bot on this channel to keep Ops so if Zoom or Discord can make it easier for Ops that is also something to consider 16[2019-05-14 21:23:11] <@Rovena> I know that the Mother Grove is exploring Zoom licenses for town hall meetings and classes 16[2019-05-14 21:23:30]  ooo, that'd be neat! 16[2019-05-14 21:24:14]  Well I have to go, it’s late night 16[2019-05-14 21:24:18] <@Rovena> Yes but I will have to go somewhere (like library or the U U Church) to be able to get in on it. 16[2019-05-14 21:24:23]  Ttyl 27[2019-05-14 21:24:26] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Quit: Igloo IRC: https://iglooirc.com) 16[2019-05-14 21:24:28]  TTYL 16[2019-05-14 21:24:51]  Who is your ISP? 16[2019-05-14 21:25:40] <@Rovena> Hughes.net 16[2019-05-14 21:25:59] <@Rovena> I am a bit rural here so options are limited 16[2019-05-14 21:26:16]  Ah, satellite! Yeah, I'm familiar with rural woes 16[2019-05-14 21:26:45]  I was in a lot of furry chats as a teenager and recall the frustrations well 16[2019-05-14 21:27:33] <@Rovena> Love it out here except for the internet. 16[2019-05-14 21:29:27] <@Rovena> On the plus side, I have deer, raccoons, oppussum, skunks, and the occasional panther 16[2019-05-14 21:30:15] <@Rovena> Never seem a gator out here yet. 21[2019-05-14 21:31:08] <@Owlhawk> ok, Mom finally hung up, so I'm back 16[2019-05-14 21:31:50] <@Rovena> Been there. Wish I could again. 21[2019-05-14 21:32:12] <@Owlhawk> This reminds me, I need to email the logs for his chat to the adf webmaster! 21[2019-05-14 21:33:00] <@Owlhawk> Yeah, I don't know what I would do if I couldn't talk to my parents. I am extremely lucky in the choice that led to them 21[2019-05-14 21:33:50] <@Owlhawk> Rovena, did you see the latest pics of Khan? 16[2019-05-14 21:34:31] <@Rovena> Yes! He is such a cutey. 16[2019-05-14 21:35:10] <@Rovena> You can really tell why he is called a bengal 21[2019-05-14 21:35:54] <@Owlhawk> http://www.vetstreet.com/cats/bengal 21[2019-05-14 21:36:07] <@Owlhawk> https://cattime.com/cat-breeds/bengal-cats 21[2019-05-14 21:36:21] <@Owlhawk> https://www.petmd.com/cat/breeds/c_ct_bengal 21[2019-05-14 21:36:54] <@Owlhawk> that will answer your question much better then I can. Basically his breed is Bengal. They are stupid expensive 16[2019-05-14 21:37:55] <@Rovena> Understand that. My cats are all strays that found us or were born here. 16[2019-05-14 21:38:20] <@Rovena> We are almost out of our tailless cats. Just 2 left 21[2019-05-14 21:39:38] <@Owlhawk> My Aunt had a few Bengals over the years and Blondie loved them, and wanted one, so when the opportunity arose to get one for free, I took it so she would have the kitty she wanted, oh and he's double a normal cats size. 16[2019-05-14 21:40:13] <@Rovena> Twice as much to love 21[2019-05-14 21:40:59] <@Owlhawk> in a few more weeks I'm going to start walking him. He showed up with a harness and leash 16[2019-05-14 21:41:19] <@Rovena> How cool! 16[2019-05-14 21:41:50] <@Rovena> When hubby takes Sammy for a walk, there is always 2 to 4 cats following them around the property. 21[2019-05-14 21:41:57] <@Owlhawk> I'm waiting until he's comfortable in our home and around us. I figure by the middle of june he should be ok 21[2019-05-14 21:41:59] <@Owlhawk> lol 16[2019-05-14 21:42:53] <@Rovena> Yes, not something to rush. 21[2019-05-14 21:43:18] <@Owlhawk> definitely 25[2019-05-14 21:43:21] * Mouse (mouse@sorcery-gm4p4q.l7lr.n29c.f2c0.2607.IP) joins #adf 16[2019-05-14 21:43:58] <@Rovena> Hello Mouse 16[2019-05-14 21:44:08]  Hello! 16[2019-05-14 21:44:12]  How goes? 16[2019-05-14 21:45:12] <@Rovena> Enjoying the beautiful weather. All the windows are open in the house. 16[2019-05-14 21:45:26]  ^_^ We are having good weather too, at least comparatively! 16[2019-05-14 21:46:18] <@Rovena> We may hit 90 this week which I don't want to see. Not this early. 21[2019-05-14 21:46:45] <@Owlhawk> wow, we only hit 15C today... 16[2019-05-14 21:48:09] <@Rovena> That is about our low temps at night here. 21[2019-05-14 21:48:34] <@Owlhawk> Wow, we're still getting frost 16[2019-05-14 21:49:29] <@Rovena> When we were having all the rain, we got some lovely foggy mornings 16[2019-05-14 21:52:19]  having to duck out myself. Good night, all 27[2019-05-14 21:52:27] * NathanLarge (NathanLarge@sorcery-j83dm6.res.rr.com) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-05-14 21:53:09] <@Rovena> I am going to follow suit and get some shut eye. Talk to y'all nect time. 27[2019-05-14 21:53:16] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-g7djjh.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Quit: ) 27[2019-05-14 21:59:22] * ConorWarren (ConorWarren@sorcery-64sn2t.or.frontiernet.net) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)