*** Opened channel log for #ADF at 2017-12-05 7:45:30 PM [19:45] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-hfsa73.cable.rogers.com) has joined #ADF [19:45] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:45] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 7:55 AM [19:45] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #ADF by ChanServ [19:57] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-mpl.ic2.45.67.IP) has joined #ADF [19:57] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #ADF by ChanServ [20:22] [Owlhawk] BRB Rovena. Re booting *** Closed channel log for #ADF at 2017-12-05 8:22:58 PM *** Opened channel log for #ADF at 2017-12-05 8:29:48 PM [20:29] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-hfsa73.cable.rogers.com) has joined #ADF [20:29] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [20:29] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 7:55 AM [20:29] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #ADF by ChanServ [20:30] Welcome back [20:30] [Owlhawk] thank uou [20:31] How are things up north? [20:32] [Owlhawk] athey're calling for snow squalls tomorrow, up to 50 cm in some places [20:32] We are just having a little rain and chilly temps. [20:33] [Owlhawk] that's all we' [20:33] [Owlhawk] ve had so far [20:33] I get to spend tomorrow sitting in the car dealership getting the computer cluster installed. [20:33] Submitted Lit 1 Practicum tonight. [20:33] *** idx (idx@sorcery-75vdka.jctk.q9sm.fb90.2607.IP) has joined #ADF [20:34] [Owlhawk] well done [20:34] Hello all [20:34] Hello Jason [20:34] Now trying to figure out what to work on. [20:34] Arthur could use some help with divination I think [20:35] I left a comment to use Facebook video for a live reading [20:35] Cool. Thanks [20:36] What’s the discussion for tonight? [20:36] I announced Winter Solstice/Yule but we can discuss whatever people want to. [20:37] Yay [20:37] I’m up for Winter Solstice [20:37] Who’s Jason btw? [20:38] Owl? [20:38] Or Mouse? [20:38] No, I must got confused. I'll blame it on the cold. [20:38] Lol I’m on your Facebook page Brandon Harris [20:39] YES that the fACE I had in my mind but just put the wrong name to it. [20:39] Hope that doesn't make we senile. [20:40] No I honestly don’t think I ever told you [20:41] I think it’s because you probably thought it was from one of the FB groups but I sent you a message so you know who I am 😀 [20:41] Besides this is my old irc handle 😀. But it is nice to be with a group of technopagans 😀😀😀 [20:42] I thank you for the compliment. I don't feel like the most knowledgeable on tech stuff but I love learning it. [20:44] If you can handle IRC and some basic coding it really becomes redundant. [20:45] Plus it’s so much easier than it used to be. [20:45] I have taken a college class in BASIC, Fortran, and Cobol. [20:45] But that was a few years ago. [20:45] If you know Fortran and COBOL then your set [20:46] I used to have nightmares about it. 500 lines of code and all you get is error if it doesn’t work lol [20:47] I would have taken a baseball bat to my computer over that [20:47] Yes, sitting in a windowless lab running code thinking 2 hours had past when it had been 5. [20:49] Lol [20:49] So what are you guys doing for winter solstice? [20:50] I'm still trying to get the grove's ritual pulled together. [20:50] Hubby and I will have a bonfire here at the house. [20:51] Do you do a Yule log? [20:51] *** Otter (Mibbit@sorcery-qkb.tpd.143.67.IP) has joined #ADF [20:52] No. We are Scottish though we often do one with the grove. [20:52] Hello Otter [20:52] * Mouse waves. Hi! [20:52] Hubby is making a stag head to be burnt as an offering. [20:52] *** Otter is now known as Guest7454 [20:53] Hello Mouse How are you tonight? [20:53] I'm doing well! Just toddled over near the computer because the phone rang. [20:53] 'Twas someone cold-calling to sell me insurance; I shut that down fast. But while I was here I saw this window. [20:54] *** Guest7454 (Mibbit@sorcery-qkb.tpd.143.67.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:54] I'd forgotten this channel tends to be busy Tuesday evenings. [20:54] Glad it got your attention [20:55] Very cool [20:55] Sorry I went to google some pics of Yule logs [20:55] That was appropriate. [20:56] What plans do you have? [20:56] idx, as for who I am, I'm not sure what sort of answer would be most helpful. I'm in Ottawa, been kinda affiliated with the ADF a bit here and there but never actually joined. [20:56] (or, more precisely, with ADF groves) [20:56] Very cool. Canadian guys are pretty hot [20:57] Stephen and Robbie Amell....so hot [20:57] *** OtterWoodward (Mibbit@sorcery-qkb.tpd.143.67.IP) has joined #ADF [20:58] Welcom back Otter [20:58] That’s cool. Druidry is very Open you can do what you want. Even if there is a Grove close by you can remain solitary or join or just show up randomly [20:59] ADF druidry, at least! It's one of the things I _do_ like about the ADF. [20:59] Same here [21:01] Thanks, got satellite internet and it is really slow....I will try to keep up, lol [21:01] so do you all have a grove nearby? [21:01] As for Canadian guys being hot, well, I dunno. I've never noticed any particular tendency that way, but when I've been around the groves I've been around I've usually been paying more attention to other things. :) [21:01] I do. Three of them, in fact. :) [21:01] At one point I felt ADF was too restrictive but after doing OBOD I really appreciate how academically accurate it is over romanticism. I am not knocking OBOD in any way though, OBOD is fun and much bigger [21:01] Trust me. On satellite as well and get bumped a lot especially in cloudy weather. [21:02] No I think Rovena is the closest to me [21:03] We have a small grove here - 3 official members and 4 regulars. [21:03] What is makes OBOD more fun? [21:05] Here’s the way I look at it, OBOD is the “community” of Druidry, where anyone including non-Druids are welcome. In fact you don’t even have to call yourself a Druid to show up. ADF is the “religion” of Druidry, less people but all are Druids or a part of Pagan Druidry as a religion. [21:07] OBOD is larger and does better with Groves because it’s so open but it’s more expensive to train in it and it’s not as historically accurate. ADF is cheaper but has less people and the higher you go the more you have to operate within a specific framework and with specific titles [21:08] Although even Rovena has probably seen on the website that ADF did take a shot at OBOD but it’s all in good fun kind of [21:08] I laughed so hard [21:08] Ah okay, that is a good explanation, thank you. [21:09] ADF is a public religion. The use of the word "religion" is a put-off for some people. [21:09] When I read the history of OBOD it really cracked me up how it all started [21:10] Being public anyone who wants to attend things can. [21:10] No problem, you can also check their respective websites they have full comparisons. [21:10] Most Druid groups seem to have interesting starts - many involving alcohol. [21:11] Yes, ADF is a public religion. OBOD is not and is only a spirituality. [21:11] Henge of Keltria started at a festival when they ducktaped their reasosn for leaving to Bonewits' van window like Luther tacking his to the church door, [21:12] I did research the differences, but in the end I figured out I was looking for religion. [21:12] Cool. [21:12] That’s why I love ADF, OBOD it’s so family oriented that drinking before ritual is kind of frowned upon. I have yet to go to an ADF ritual but I don’t think anyone would mind if I drank before as long as I wasn’t belligerent and planning to drive shortly after [21:13] Plus when I saw the brewers guild I was like “oh, I’m home” 🤣 [21:14] Otter - I agree. [21:15] Any of you hiding your ummm.. faith? [21:15] Yes and no [21:16] I did for years which is why I stayed away from Facebook during that time. [21:16] I could have lost my job if it had been known. [21:16] I am like a secret convert.... I don't want to be prayed at [21:16] My family knows I am a part of magickal religions of all kinds but now I just tell them. I’m gay so they know I’m weird [21:17] OMG!! Idx you are a riot! [21:17] ADF is much more socially acceptable than most and you don’t have to tell anyone. [21:17] Thanks 😀😂😀😂🤣 [21:18] My family are born again christians....pretty sure it wouldn't go down easily. [21:19] That can be a problem for sure. [21:20] My family is cool with it but hubby's is Southern Baptist and they pretend not to know. [21:20] Druidry from what I’ve seen is more easily tolerated by Christians than most other paths including Wicca. Plus here’s an easier way to explain it: we use the word “religion” so people have a frame of reference to understand what we do but it’s actually a “way of life”, at least to us [21:21] One's religion should be one's way of like imo [21:21] We just don't have to force it on others [21:21] And OBOD actually has quite a few Unitarian Universalists that show up and/or allow them to practice at their churches [21:22] UUs are very open. Many ADF groups meet in their churches. My grove does [21:23] I had one guy who lead a local group who said “it’s all the same thing” and it’s kind of true. It’s just because Druidry and paganism predate Christianity that trying to translate concepts and even spirits/gods/etc is difficult. Prime example, Pagans don’t have a strict concept of good or evil [21:23] Christians do [21:24] But Druidry has Awen which is like the Hindu concept of Om, which is “the sound of god” but again it doesn’t translate exactly [21:25] But the ancient Druids did know the ancient eastern religions so there is a lot of overlap [21:26] I agree Rovena, one's religion should be more than just a coat you put on the holy days, imo too. [21:28] So don’t think it’s not ok to tell your family when you are ready. They are different religions but the Christians “borrowed” quite a bit from pagans and they wouldn’t even have a religion if it wasn’t for Pagans. Now within ADF, ADF framework is just that, but when explaining to family there’s plenty of overlap and similarities you can use to at least help them understand. [21:30] My daughters think I am having a midlife crisis. [21:31] So don’t show up at an ADF event or ritual or forum thinking that it’s ok to discuss overlap. Stay within the framework of ADF unless your solitary then you have more freedom but I still stay within all the available ADF frameworks. [21:31] Haha [21:32] My partner on the other hand, says as long as I am not biting heads off of chickens, he is good with it ;) [21:32] And there’s alcohol [21:32] So doing it to ducks would be okay? : ) [21:33] Are you two gay males? I just ask because of “otter” [21:33] He says only if I cook it afterwards for dinner [21:33] Lol, no I am female and he is the other [21:34] Oh ok awesome [21:34] Well congrats on kids 😀 [21:35] Otter, because that was the name the universe gave me when i asked. I am happy it wasn't humpback whale [21:35] It’s not to late to change your nick roflmao jk [21:35] *** idx (idx@sorcery-75vdka.jctk.q9sm.fb90.2607.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com] [21:36] I have a good friend here that is called Otter. SHe has photos of otters all over her Facebook page. [21:37] *** idx (idx@sorcery-75vdka.jctk.q9sm.fb90.2607.IP) has joined #ADF [21:38] haha :D idx [21:38] It doesn’t happen often but it does happen. Some people usually just find out later in life that paganism is way more fun [21:40] It doesn't matter when one finds one's own path as long as one finds the right one for them. [21:40] For the first time, my path does feel right. [21:41] Excellent. [21:43] Otter, we are here every Tuesday night and you are welcome to join in the fun and mayhem. [21:45] Thank you Rovena for the invitaion. For me the hardest and scariest part was doing the First Oath [21:45] 😀 [21:45] The FIrst Oath is not required. I didn't take one but I was pagan since 1972. [21:46] Take your time. There’s no rush or pressure on anything. [21:46] What problems does it hold for you? [21:46] Coming from a perspective of you shall have no other gods but me [21:48] I don't know what I was expecting lol, thunder or lightning. But, it was refreshing to see that the concept of good and evil are not so defined [21:48] Understand that. Word your oath so that you are pledging to explore this path with a seeking heart. [21:49] Many pagans worship just one deity or focus mostly on one. [21:49] We just understand that there is more than one deity and all are worthy of their followeres attention. [21:49] But,I am past that part now and I am loving the learning and the making the sacred part of my days [21:50] That’s true for many. Look at it like Selma Hyak in the movie dogma, it doesn’t matter what you have faith in just that you have faith. Although in Paganism, belief isn’t a requirement. Some honor the gods in the same way as we honor Memorial Day, respect for those who came before [21:51] My hubby is most comfortable with the Nature Spirits. [21:52] Besides, thunder and lightning can be good omens. [21:52] It is also a mystery religion not a revealed one. So faith isn’t required either, merely being willing to walk the path and find out for yourself what Druidry means for you [21:53] *** idx (idx@sorcery-75vdka.jctk.q9sm.fb90.2607.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com] [21:53] I watched one guy take his religious name of Oak. It was raining and he was standing a little way off from an oak tree. [21:54] As he said his religious name there was a streak of lightning and a clasp of thunde. [21:54] *** idx (idx@sorcery-75vdka.jctk.q9sm.fb90.2607.IP) has joined #ADF [21:54] The tree was struck and fell. [21:54] It surrounded him but did not touch him. [21:55] THe worst damage was one car had a damaged headlight. [21:55] I think that is what is most appealing.... is that it is a mystery. A mystery to last the rest of my days [21:55] We all took it as a powerful and positive omen. [21:56] How very true. [21:56] Yes, I agree Otter [21:56] I think I would it take it as a positive omen too if my sneakers didn't melt onto my feet. [21:58] Hate to do this but I need to run. Car goes in the shop very early tomorrow. Til next time, be safe and enjoy life. [21:58] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-mpl.ic2.45.67.IP) has quit IRC [Quit:] [21:59] [Owlhawk] good night [21:59] The gods are good to us in many ways that resemble the old myths. They don’t do things for us but they do empower us to do things for ourselves and I’ve found they will step in if we need it but if they don’t, it means we can overcome what’s before us [21:59] Night owl [21:59] Or sorry might rovena [21:59] Night [22:00] Thank you all :) I need to be moving on as well. Have a good evening. [22:00] *** OtterWoodward (Mibbit@sorcery-qkb.tpd.143.67.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:00] Night [22:01] I’m probably going to log too, I need to take a nap and shower lol [22:01] Night Owl [22:01] *** idx (idx@sorcery-75vdka.jctk.q9sm.fb90.2607.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com] *** Closed channel log for #ADF at 2017-12-05 10:03:26 PM