*** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-10-18 6:46:17 PM [18:46] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [18:46] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [18:46] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [18:46] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:52] *** Alusa2 (Alusa@sorcery-51mf20.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #adf [19:52] *** Alusa2 is now known as Alusa_ [19:53] *** Alusa (Alusa@sorcery-51mf20.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] [19:59] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:59] [Owlhawk] hi [20:00] How are you tonight? [20:04] [Owlhawk] excellent. Blue Jays beat Cleveland [20:05] Cool [20:07] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:07] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:20] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:20] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:24] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:24] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:26] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-h060iv.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:30] [Owlhawk] *chirp, chirp* [20:44] *** SaraB (Mibbit@sorcery-7cg.pl1.196.47.IP) has joined #adf [20:48] [Owlhawk] hello [20:48] Bi [20:48] Hi...ugh [20:48] Is everyone gone? [20:49] [Owlhawk] more like they didn't show up. Rovena I assume is having connection issues again [20:49] :( [20:51] [Owlhawk] how'd the hurricane treat you? [20:51] No issues :-) [20:52] [Owlhawk] excellent.. [20:52] [Owlhawk] mom and dad are down there now [20:52] Oh, which coast? [20:52] They ok? [20:54] [Owlhawk] Houmosassa [20:54] [Owlhawk] They're fine. Arrived after the storm [21:00] *** SaraB (Mibbit@sorcery-7cg.pl1.196.47.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] *** Closed channel log for #adf at 2016-10-18 9:23:01 PM *** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-10-25 6:49:09 PM [18:49] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [18:49] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [18:49] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [18:49] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [18:57] *** maurilee (Mibbit@sorcery-9u7of1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #adf [18:58] Hi all, checking in via my cell phone and it works! [19:03] [Owlhawk] I see you !! [19:04] I submitted my DP tonight! [19:08] *** maurilee (Mibbit@sorcery-9u7of1.nj.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [19:28] *** maurilee (Mibbit@sorcery-9u7of1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #adf [19:28] sorry lost it on my phone [19:28] [Owlhawk] lol.congrats on your dp submission [19:28] back now on a laptop, after resetting it up [19:28] [Owlhawk] well done [19:29] thank you! I wish I didn't have to wait weeks, but I also understand [19:29] I don't even have someone officially looking it over [19:29] [Owlhawk] I had to do some corrections, grammer mostly since I can't edit my own work, on my DP [19:30] [Owlhawk] I hit 94 pages on mine. how did you do length wise? [19:30] *** AnthonyHoltberg (AnthonyHolt@sorcery-9p34n2.midco.net) has joined #adf [19:30] well I followed the guide and kept it to 30 pages [19:30] [Owlhawk] lol. well done! [19:30] How do. [19:30] [Owlhawk] hello [19:31] its simple but gets the work together nicely I think [19:31] we are just talking about the dedicant path [19:32] [Owlhawk] I included the full ritual script for my dedicant oath, that added to the length. [19:32] I did too, three pages [19:34] [Owlhawk] ummmmm, mine was lots more then that. I really should talk to Missy about getting it up on the website... [19:37] Do you blog? [19:37] I do, all of my work is on it too [19:37] http://mariah-danu.blogspot.com/ [19:42] [Owlhawk] I do, but I'm having trouble getting it to come up.... [19:42] oh shit I'm sorry [19:43] so does anyone have any questions? [19:43] [Owlhawk] it looks like a livejournal issue [19:44] I don't know livejournal [19:45] [Owlhawk] I don't much either. I'll try it on the other computer tomorrow [19:45] [Owlhawk] Chat doesn't offically start until 8 everyone, but that doesn't mean we can't get rolling early! [19:47] oh! tots had it in my head it was 7 [19:47] and kk [19:48] [Owlhawk] 8pm EST [19:48] [Owlhawk] I tend to log in early so I don't forget to do so [19:49] I haven't been on in a few weeks, I used to meet with my mentor at this time [19:51] [Owlhawk] ah [19:54] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:54] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:56] so have you finished the DP? [19:56] [Owlhawk] Yes I have, as well as DEO first circle and Brewers 1 [19:56] deo first circle? [19:58] [Owlhawk] https://www.adf.org/members/orders/DEO/index.html [20:02] ah cool, I don't work with Demeter but its cool you do [20:02] *** AnthonyHoltberg (AnthonyHolt@sorcery-9p34n2.midco.net) has quit IRC [Quit: Leaving...] [20:03] [Owlhawk] thank you. it's been an awesome journey [20:03] [Owlhawk] hello Anthoney [20:04] welcome friend [20:06] I'm checking out the 'orders' now. Not sure one fits with me at all tbh [20:07] There are the guilds as well [20:11] [Owlhawk] what's your hearth culture? [20:11] I'm celtic [20:11] i work with danu, dagda, cernunnos, and morrigan [20:12] [Owlhawk] there's a Mannanan order [20:14] I read that, I'm not familiar with mannanan [20:15] [Owlhawk] He's very worth your time to look into. [20:20] def doing it tonight [20:20] I hadn't bothered before [20:21] [Owlhawk] Speaking as an Hellenic, he's always fascinated me [20:23] well thanks [20:23] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [20:23] I'm currently starting towards learning to channel [20:24] Howdy everybody [20:24] [Owlhawk] Hello [20:25] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:26] [Owlhawk] channel? be very, very careful [20:26] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:27] I'm working in a private setting with my grove [20:28] they have a training program for it [20:28] [Owlhawk] that's good [20:29] Its in my blog, I'm working with Cernunnos first [20:36] The only time I've channeled anything was during camping with my CUUPS group. Land spirits, was absolutely overwhelming. I broke down crying, they weren't very happy about some nearby oil wells. [20:37] I can believe it [20:37] I'm sorry you broke down [20:41] [Owlhawk] channeling is not easy [20:42] [Owlhawk] it takes practice and regular work [20:42] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [20:42] it all starts with devotion [20:42] Nope, and it wasn't an intentional act which made my first experience with it even more jarring. [20:42] i bet, is it something you want to try and do more? [20:43] Maybe someday, right now I'm still trying to find my footing after leaving Hellenism. I'm more focused on getting a daily practice that works for me [20:44] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:44] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:44] [Owlhawk] Leaving Hellenism? it wasn't working for you? [20:45] I'm sorry it wasn't working for you, what made you make that decision? [20:45] Oh, I was a Hellenic Recon for several years [20:45] and what kind of daily devotion do you do? [20:45] [Owlhawk] recon! ah... [20:45] The gods told me it was time to move elsewhere, so I did [20:46] [Owlhawk] I'm hellenic and I can't get along with most recons! [20:46] [Owlhawk] well good luck in that then [20:47] I loved my time in Hellenism and it shaped me. My life just changed a lot and Athena brought me into it, when that relationship dissolved so did a lot of my enthusiasm for the trad. [20:47] I plodded along for awhile, but Hermes made me realize that no, it is time for me to move on. So I did [20:47] [Owlhawk] relationships grow and change. nothing wrong with growing [20:48] My thoughts exactly! [20:48] It still hurt, losing my relationship with Athena was a lot like getting out of a long term relationship [20:48] What direction are you going now? [20:49] Roman and Vedic, but I'm still figuring things out [20:49] I've been advised by a few diviners to go with the Vedic stuff but I'm still being cautious [20:49] [Owlhawk] Hellenic. I have a tattoo of Athena on my left upper arm and a partially finished tattoo of Zeus on my right upper arm. I'm Hellenic for better or worse.... [20:50] Oh awesome! Any pics? [20:51] [Owlhawk] not yet. I really should get the wife t take some, but haven't yet. I'm hoping to get the Zeus finished soonish. [20:52] They based off statuary or free-handed or what? [20:53] [Owlhawk] based on pics I found online that felt right and got approval in ritual [20:55] Seems like as good as an idea as any! [20:56] from what I understand on my path the deities change names but seem to keep their faces as I work with them [20:56] So, any particular polis you focus on? I'm guessing Athens from the two tats :P? [20:56] [Owlhawk] that's the idea I took. I took an omen for each [20:56] [Owlhawk] no particular polis. I'm also a follower of Demeter [20:57] [Owlhawk] I'm called by many.... part of the challenge is reconcilling that fact [20:58] I tots get that [20:58] when I started I was an agnostic pagan [20:58] now I work with four [20:59] [Owlhawk] I"ve been working of translating the ritual cycle to a EST North AMerican time line/ritual cycle. [20:59] Which calendar do you go off? [20:59] Cool [21:01] [Owlhawk] Calender? [21:02] [Owlhawk] I'm in ontario. so I'm strying to approximate our enviroomental cycle [21:02] Yeah, I know a lot of Hellenists use the Athenian since it is the most complete (and that HMEPA site is great!). [21:03] [Owlhawk] it is, and it's awesome. But , it is made very plain that new settlements adopted a new calander to match their new place. [21:04] That would be the logical thing to do [21:04] [Owlhawk] and the greek agricutuaral cycle dows not match the north american one in any way what so ever, so we need to interperte [21:05] Oh yeah! But they still took some influence from their "home colony" so to speak :P [21:05] And honestly, I think it is hard to talk of just one North American growing season [21:05] That's why when I was a Hellenist I really pushed for regional adaptations of festivals and such [21:05] [Owlhawk] yes, but our agricuturarula cycle is so different that it's ridiculuas [21:06] [Owlhawk] The academic work I've seen agrees with you [21:06] Dallas, Texas has such a different rhythm from Seattle, Washington or Upstate New York [21:07] I want to see the adaptation for regions too [21:08] Now, I'm not talking about the Wheel ADF uses here, just the Hellenic holidays. [21:09] *** SiDrakkon (Mibbit@sorcery-k9leu1.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #adf [21:09] Hello SiDrakkon [21:09] *** SiDrakkon (Mibbit@sorcery-k9leu1.try.wideopenwest.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:10] Howdy there! [21:10] [Owlhawk] It's important to remember, Hellenic wise, that the holidays change depending on the location. [21:12] Well, there weren't really a lot of panhellenic holidays to begin :P [21:13] [Owlhawk] lol [21:13] [Owlhawk] well, the athenian calendar has a few.... [21:13] we have come so far in modernizing religion [21:13] It was one of the things that drove me to madness, how to foster unity among Hellenists while also respecting regional variation. I never did figure it out [21:13] [Owlhawk] that's because of the racist idiots hiding as hellenists [21:14] Oh, I'm not saying there aren't a lot of holidays. I'm saying there aren't a lot of panhellenic holidays, that is, holidays celebrated by a large number of the Greek city-states [21:16] [Owlhawk] true... I think they argue too much abougt timing [21:17] there's racist idiots in every path [21:17] Yup [21:17] I can't think of a major world religion, pagan religion, or even political ideology that has not been utilized towards racist ends. [21:18] Racist Pagan - - who knew [21:19] I just feel like because of some of the climate in American Paganism certain groups racists yell louder. They have a real problem with racists cultores in Italy and gods know that a lot of Hellenists in Greece have racist attitudes. [21:19] [Owlhawk] GO LEAFS!!! [21:19] tots understand, and its hard to avoid it [21:19] [Owlhawk] There ya go, one religion that hasn't turned racisit! [21:20] [Owlhawk] :) [21:20] I'm sure someone will find a way to utilize Druidry towards racist ends, just give it time :P [21:21] just wondering, and subject change, how did you guys find the druids? [21:21] And the presence of some people using a thing towards racist ends doesn't mean that the whole thing is racist. It just means people will use whatever they want to justify their prejudices [21:22] Knew about OBOD through meeting John Beckett, found out about ADF through googling stuff about Druidry [21:22] Googling Celtic stuff [21:24] [Owlhawk] A friend convinced me to attend Kaleidoscope Gathering. There I encoutered ADF and was convinced to try it. [21:25] cool [21:25] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [21:25] I was meeting with a Wiccan group and they shared about some local groups they work with, one being my Grove [21:26] my first ritual with them I knew I found the right place to be [21:26] [Owlhawk] that being said, I've been pagan since The first Bush presidency [21:26] [Owlhawk] :) [21:26] I've been pagan since 2006 [21:27] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:27] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:29] I'm a baby, since 2011 [21:29] I'm only 23 :P [21:30] Hold on, do you mean since Daddy Bush, not Dubya? [21:31] [Owlhawk] it's always abgut how you grow [21:31] [Owlhawk] yes, Reagan's successor [21:31] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [21:32] And I assume you got into Paganism in your adult years? [21:32] [Owlhawk] a year or two before I entered univerisity [21:33] [Owlhawk] it's been awhile, so I don't excately remember [21:33] I think you are about as old as my father, he was born in '70 [21:33] [Owlhawk] rougly I joined paganism in about 1991 [21:33] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:33] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:34] [Owlhawk] couple years younger Conor. [21:34] I was born in 91 [21:34] I had a book clunk me on the head when I was skipping school at the local library [21:34] 1953 [21:34] talk about a wake up [21:34] [Owlhawk] lol [21:34] [Owlhawk] I was born in [21:34] [Owlhawk] 73 [21:35] but hey, as much as I like to chat I need to go to bed. early to rise now, which is so lame since I'm a night owl [21:35] I always feel intimidated being the youngest guy in the room :P [21:35] [Owlhawk] good night [21:35] Alrighty, it was nice talking to you! [21:35] [Owlhawk] you'll get over it Conor [21:36] Give it time. You can be the oldest one day [21:36] At worst, I'll continue to age and every year I get added to my life the more people who are younger than me :P [21:37] night! [21:37] [Owlhawk] aging really does beat the alternative [21:37] my info should be public on here, otherwise phoniex_102@hotmail.com [21:37] *** maurilee (Mibbit@sorcery-9u7of1.nj.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:37] I'd be apt to agree [21:42] [Owlhawk] I'm on facebook and easy to find [21:45] Me too!: https://www.facebook.com/conor.warren.524 [21:46] [Owlhawk] friend sent [21:47] OH! IT IS YOU JAY [21:47] We used to be FB friends before I had to remake my profile for matters related to job hunting [21:47] [Owlhawk] no, this is the cats speaking@ [21:47] [Owlhawk] ! [21:48] I forgot how many cats you have [21:48] [Owlhawk] The wife is still plotting how to get more... [21:49] Oh gods. . . [21:50] I have often offered to shipped some up to him but he decclines [21:53] My partner and I are dog people :P He wants a Lhasa and I want a Great Dane so, couldn't be two different kinds of dog. . .s. [21:53] I also don't blame him, cats are cranky when you put them in those padded envelopes [21:54] I was thnking of a wooden wine crate with lots of straw [21:56] When my family raised chickens we shipped them to folks through the post, I don't remember how though, too young. [22:00] Hubby has a dental procedure at 7:30 tomorrow so I need to bid y'all a good night til next time [22:01] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-9s2gvi.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit:] [22:04] [Owlhawk] happily it's dificult to ship cats across the border.... [22:04] [Owlhawk] OWIE!!! [22:04] [Owlhawk] Blooddy painful wife.... [22:04] Good night Rovena! [22:04] [Owlhawk] owir! [22:04] HA! [22:04] [Owlhawk] owie! [22:05] The joys of matrimony [22:05] [Owlhawk] that's one way of putting it.... [22:22] Alright, I'm doing stuff on WoW with my guy, TTYL guys! [22:22] *** ConorWarren (Mibbit@sorcery-vhdgjn.res.rr.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [00:47] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-i58s3u.com.xplornet.com) has joined #adf [00:48] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-i58s3u.com.xplornet.com) has quit IRC [Quit: Me fail English? That's unpossible.] [00:49] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-k9c.vo0.239.23.IP) has joined #adf *** Closed channel log for #adf at 2016-10-26 6:09:51 AM *** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-11-01 7:00:49 PM [19:00] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [19:00] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:00] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [19:00] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:00] *** Alusa (Alusa@sorcery-od099t.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #adf [19:52] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-osnvp7.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:52] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:05] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-osnvp7.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Connection closed] *** Closed channel log for #adf at 2016-11-01 9:25:25 PM