*** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-07-12 7:35:52 PM [19:35] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [19:35] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:35] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [19:35] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:37] *** MagerMax (Mibbit@sorcery-e4is17.dynamic.mtsallstream.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [19:49] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-334lba.mo.charter.com) has joined #adf [19:50] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-334lba.mo.charter.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [19:50] *** Rovena (Mibbit@sorcery-334lba.mo.charter.com) has joined #adf [19:51] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:01] *** MagerMax (Mibbit@sorcery-e4is17.dynamic.mtsallstream.net) has joined #adf [20:01] Hi All :) [20:02] Hello [20:02] How are you tonight? [20:03] Oh not bad. Working on my Div 1 submission. You? [20:04] Sitting motel. Been visiting my Dad in hospice [20:04] Div 1 sounds fun [20:04] OH - I am sorry to hear that! [20:06] He is 93 and is amazing everyone with his staying power. [20:06] He is a real trooper [20:06] There is something to be said for subborness ;) [20:07] Yes there is. [20:07] Do we have a lighter topic? [20:08] Or a weirder one? [20:08] I'm sure we can find one. Espcially the latter lol I am new to these - what sort of topics are normally covered? [20:09] Whatever is on people's mind. [20:09] Weather or study questions [20:10] Philosophy [20:11] In that case - I have a question if you don't mind. Any idea how to read an auspices when nothing shows up? I am used to at something flying overhead. Today - nadda. Never happened before [20:12] May mean nothing. Depends on weather. High heat can ground birds [20:13] It may mean stalemate [20:13] Ya, that's what I am more or less leaning towards. And hoping for really. The other option basically comes down to "so negative we're not even going to show up" [20:14] Maybe not negative [20:15] Maybe mean a pause [20:16] That's a good way to think about it. [20:17] Sorry if I seem a wee bit distracted - I am flipping screens a bit [20:17] Thank you [20:17] How many people normally come to the chat? [20:17] We run from 2 to 20 [20:18] Can't figure what makes the difference [20:18] In the summer I imagine that weather cam make quite the diffference [20:18] *can [20:18] True [20:19] At home I get bumped a lot due to being on satellite so motel wifi is nice [20:20] No doubt - nice clear signal [20:20] [Owlhawk] It makes a huge difference. the rest is that peole are busier in the summer [20:22] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-em2t36.ipv6.telus.net) has joined #adf [20:23] *** Lonnie (Mibbit@sorcery-pr0221.client.mchsi.com) has joined #adf [20:23] Hello Lonnie [20:23] Good eve! [20:24] Head's up. The link in the email went to "page not found" for me. I had to go through the menu on the left side of the site to get here. Might be a problem for others. [20:25] I used an old copy. Thanks I will fix it. [20:25] Same here - I just assumed it was my browser... [20:27] *** Lonnie (Mibbit@sorcery-pr0221.client.mchsi.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:30] Well, at least I know that people read my announcements. ; ) [20:33] Owlhawk, remember when my laptop kept acting weird? I disabled the tracking pad and it solved the problem [20:33] *** Pete (Mibbit@sorcery-pen91d.elpstx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #adf [20:34] Hello [20:34] Hello Pete [20:34] What are we talking about? [20:35] [Owlhawk] Awesome Rovena. [20:35] *** MagerMax (Mibbit@sorcery-e4is17.dynamic.mtsallstream.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:35] In between topics. Do you have one? [20:35] [Owlhawk] THe inevitableility of te Toronto Maple Leafs winting the Stanly Cup,or whatever else comes to mind... [20:36] Love the Maple Leafs [20:36] Lol [20:36] [Owlhawk] :D [20:37] Too far south t [20:37] [Owlhawk] only because you don't watch hockey Rovena and you're in Lousianna... [20:37] Any soccer fans? [20:37] [Owlhawk] Where are you Pete? [20:37] [Owlhawk] ManU [20:37] El Paso texas [20:37] Ya'll [20:38] Cool [20:38] [Owlhawk] ok...how are the Maple Leafs too far4 south? [20:38] *** Muirin (Mibbit@sorcery-sut85t.nj.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:38] I am in NW Louisiana [20:38] Never got intro hockey [20:38] Like soccer, too [20:38] [Owlhawk] lol [20:38] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@sorcery-oaru1r.ca.charter.com) has joined #adf [20:38] hi everyone [20:39] Hello trent [20:39] Hi [20:39] [Owlhawk] hello [20:39] My first game was with a girlfriend who sat us in the middle of the Home team and rooted for her home team instead [20:40] [Owlhawk] lol [20:41] That must have been tough [20:41] When the guy she was yelling at (both were yelling) raised his hamd I thought he was going to hit her but he bought us beers instead [20:42] Love the game just don't understand the fans [20:42] Hello Trent [20:42] and Muirin [20:42] Hi Rovena [20:42] So how long have ya'll been in ADF? [20:43] Since2005 [20:44] my protogrove is looking at going grove [20:44] cool mine as well [20:44] Excellent! [20:44] Since 2013 for me, though I haven't done much with my DP yet, and there were a few months there where I had to let my membership lapse due to finances [20:45] I finished my DP in January so you are doing fine [20:45] Thanks, Rovena [20:46] I've been attending fire a year before i joined and I'm still working on my DP [20:46] [Owlhawk] 2008....I think...... [20:47] Hubby joined in 2005 and is just now starting the DP [20:47] Cool. I want to join my local grove, but I don't have a car and most of their events are impossible to get to with public transportation. [20:48] I'm excited because I finally got most of the books I'll need for reading and doing book reviews, so I've been diving into them. [20:48] i've been in for a few years...mostly solitary but i get out to a semi-local protogrove from time to time [20:48] [Owlhawk] the closest grove to me is a three hour drive... [20:48] [Owlhawk] one way [20:48] Do any of them live near you and maybe ride share [20:48] Ouch, Owlhawk! [20:49] What hearths are ya'll [20:49] I don't know. I'm going to email them and ask, but I feel kind of funny just emailing them out of the blue. [20:49] Scottish [20:49] [Owlhawk] I'm solitary, so it's not a great issue. [20:49] [Owlhawk] Hellenic [20:49] That's good, Owlhawk. [20:49] [Owlhawk] don't feel bad about emailing them, [20:49] Cool I'm a Hellenic as well [20:50] Muirin, do they have a elist or Facebook page where you could interact with them? [20:50] Mostly Hellenic and Irish, and Gaulish sometimes. [20:51] Hubby is Scottish & Norse [20:52] Thanks, you guys. I think they have a Facebook page, but I don't actually go on Facebook. They do have a contact email listed though. I'm not sure about an elist. [20:52] [Owlhawk] fthen email them [20:52] Or Grove is mainly Norse but there is Celtic and Hellenic [20:52] Yeah, I will. I've just been screwing up my courage. :-) [20:52] Hubby is our GO and we get email all the time. No problem on our end [20:52] [Owlhawk] stop screing up and just o it [20:53] Lol. That's good advice. [20:53] [Owlhawk] :D [20:56] Progeny wanting food gotta go but I'll be back [20:56] *** Pete (Mibbit@sorcery-pen91d.elpstx.sbcglobal.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:56] Good parent [21:00] Who has the next problem that we can solve? [21:00] Lol. Not me. That was my only problem this week. [21:01] If we don't come up with something, Owlhawk will start plotting world domination again [21:02] Yikes! I'll try to develop more problems. [21:02] [Owlhawk] better me then Trump! [21:02] AMEN [21:03] Now that's the truth! [21:03] [Owlhawk] and what do you mean again,,, [21:03] [Owlhawk] ::D [21:04] [Owlhawk] :D [21:04] well, not again .. still is more accurate [21:04] [Owlhawk] YUP!!!! [21:08] So Muirin, what books are you reading? [21:11] So far, "Greek Religion" and "Theogony and Works and Days" for my Hellenic hearth and "In Search of Ancient Ireland" for my Irish hearth and "A History of Pagan Europe". [21:12] Cool [21:12] I'm going to try to grab a copy of "The Tain" and an approved modern Paganism book or two off the list next month. [21:13] I think you enjoy reading [21:13] [Owlhawk] Greek Religion is awesme and a huge influx of info, Theogony and Works And Days is awesome and a lesson is perspective [21:16] Yeah, I'm really excited about them. I keep getting mildly frustrated with Greek Religion because most of the sources he lists in the notes are in German, which I unfortunately don't speak (though I wish I did).. [21:17] I'm considering picking up Comparative Mythology too. I like A History of Pagan Europe, but I a lot of the information in the beginning of it seems heavily dated to the '90's specifically and I'd kind of like something that goes into a lot of depth. [21:18] From what I've heard Comparative Mythology covers a bit more ground, but I don't know. Has anyone read them both? [21:18] [Owlhawk] I would have to check the shelves.l...I do't think I've read Paarval [21:19] [Owlhawk] don't... [21:19] I have read both but it has been too long for me to compare from memory [21:19] I knew what you meant. :-) [21:20] That's okay. I really do like "A History...", it's just -- I keep wanting more information about some of the stuff it covers. [21:22] Understand that [21:22] I have to go, you guys. My husband just got back with our friend and the dog is doing somersaults...literally. [21:23] *** Muirin (Mibbit@sorcery-sut85t.nj.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:23] Good trick [21:23] Good night [21:30] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@sorcery-oaru1r.ca.charter.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:31] *** Zekra (Mibbit@sorcery-0q0.ub2.53.45.IP) has joined #adf [21:31] Hello [21:31] Hi Rovena! [21:32] How are you tonight? [21:32] I'm pretty good, yourself? [21:33] Doing okay now that the second wave has started [21:33] Sorry it took so long, I was going to join sooner [21:34] No problem people join and leave as they need to [21:35] So what part of the world are you in, may I ask? [21:35] I live in NW Louisiana but tonight I am in Central Missouri [21:35] [Owlhawk] Onatario, here [21:35] *** Zekra (Mibbit@sorcery-0q0.ub2.53.45.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:36] *** Zekra (Mibbit@sorcery-0q0.ub2.53.45.IP) has joined #adf [21:36] Bump,oops [21:37] It happens to everyone [21:37] Did I see Maryland before I bumped? [21:38] Not unless you have other people than we have [21:38] I missed it then [21:38] I'll try again [21:38] I am staying in Missouri this week [21:39] Hi owl, hi Rovena, hi ragg [21:39] Hello Zkra [21:40] Missouri? What part? I grew up outside of school [21:40] Stl * [21:40] Eldon - Lake of the Ozarks [21:41] I grew up south of St Louis in Crystal City/Festus [21:42] Can't get accustomed to the Cardinal football not being in St Louis [21:42] That's my neck of the woods, I'm from morse mill in Jefferson county [21:43] My mother saw the Browns and Cardinals in the WOrld Series [21:43] Coolness [21:44] *** Beej (Mibbit@sorcery-l37jig.sub-70-210-224.myvzw.com) has joined #adf [21:44] Wow Rovena that is a little before my time, but I do remember that the Rams were going to be called the Mustangs [21:45] It was before my time, too. [21:45] Did not know that about the Rams [21:45] Good evening [21:45] Hello Beej [21:45] Hi [21:46] Quiet night? [21:46] This is the second wave [21:46] [Owlhawk] GO LEAFS GO!!! [21:47] West folks just getting home from work [21:47] There is a podcast based out of the lake of the Ozarks that I love, it's called real ghost stories online [21:48] I will have to check it out [21:49] How is the sunset over on the Left coast? [21:50] I think we've got a couple hours yet before sunset. it's still bright and sunny [21:51] Nice! [21:52] Got to see the sun set over the ocean on Sunday. That was cool [21:52] Dig always fun to be by the water [21:52] And quite a change from my desert home. [21:52] Anything to do with water is better [21:53] usually, yeah. [21:54] What is your favorite memory from a body of water? [21:55] Elephant Rock where the stream gushes over us as we lay on the rocks [21:55] My partner and I exploring the unreachable shore of a little lake/pond from our kayaks. [21:56] in upstate New York. [21:57] I take it the steam isn't too strong there? [21:57] Mine was seeing the moon on a glass Atlantic Ocean after working all day in the galley [21:58] stream [21:59] The stream was really fast but it was shallow tumbling down the stones [21:59] Like Johnson shut-ins? [22:00] Yes - - maybe it was Johnson shutins. It was back in the 60s [22:00] I have slept since then [22:01] Interesting [22:01] sounds lovely. Anytime you find something like that here, the water is frigid [22:01] Lol [22:01] Good on a hot summer day [22:02] Definitely [22:02] usually it's snow melt, so.... [22:02] [Owlhawk] we hit 40 degrees celcious today... [22:03] not sure of the conversion but it's currently 103F out.... and it's 7pm [22:03] WOW that's like 104 [22:04] No its more like 70 [22:04] Google was wrong then [22:04] But that is still hot for Canada [22:05] But pretty hot for cannadians [22:05] [Owlhawk] http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/temperature/celsius-to-fahrenheit.htm [22:06] My bad Rovena is right! [22:06] probably it's like the yahoo search... 1c=33.8F... but to convert you have to subtract 32 [22:07] I never do math when I can get the computer to do it [22:07] lol [22:08] stubborn pride makes me try [22:08] I always remember 32 is freezing that is 0celsius [22:08] Yes I do remember that [22:09] Maybe one day we will go metric [22:09] Then count up or down from there [22:11] Usually by tens never adding the extra 2 degrees [22:11] Because I'm lazy [22:14] What I what is owls favorite memory on water? [22:14] if it gets you close, it's good enough for most things [22:15] especially horsehsoes and a bombs [22:15] heh [22:16] Ok I got a way deep question that may be a little woo-woo. [22:17] Go for it [22:17] [Owlhawk] The wife says you don't need to know my favourite memory on water.... [22:17] Ohhhhh thanks wife! [22:18] [Owlhawk] She says 'you're wekcine,; [22:18] deep questions are always fun [22:18] [Owlhawk] welcome.... [22:19] *** kollibri (kollibri@sorcery-hc9fuj.mi.comcast.net) has joined #adf [22:20] Concerning spirit guides: what is your impression? Are they separate entities or both you and the spirit as one? [22:20] As I understand them, separate [22:20] Answers might vary wuth people [22:20] For me separate [22:21] But I am a hard polytheist [22:21] [Owlhawk] it depends on the spirit\ [22:23] Owlhawk, can you expand on that idea? [22:23] *** kollibri (kollibri@sorcery-hc9fuj.mi.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:23] But, for those who see a unity in all things, I could see them as being defined as joined. Nature hasn't shown me unit yet, so I'm hard poly and separate makes the most sense to me [22:24] ugh. no idea how I changed the font. sorry [22:24] [Owlhawk] perspecative is how we decide what is real. [22:25] [Owlhawk] brb [22:25] True [22:26] the kind that display themselves under the category of angels(though they may not be Angels) could the same energy pattern be read by others as ancient gods? [22:26] Others meaning non-pagans [22:27] We all interpret things from our cultural persepctive [22:27] What we call gods might be seen as angels by monotheists [22:27] Right merely semantics [22:28] *** Beej (Mibbit@sorcery-l37jig.sub-70-210-224.myvzw.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:28] That answered my question rovena [22:29] [Owlhawk] we see energy through the lense our point of view [22:29] *** Beej (Mibbit@sorcery-l37jig.sub-70-210-224.myvzw.com) has joined #adf [22:29] stupid phone! [22:29] [Owlhawk] lol [22:29] Law of world views [22:29] If scientists uncovered dragon bones, they were intrepret them as dinosaurs [22:30] *** Beej (Mibbit@sorcery-l37jig.sub-70-210-224.myvzw.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:30] I recently had the privilege of speaking with a medium [22:31] And he said he had never seen an angel like mine which leads me to believe I have found something [22:32] It may be good for me, but it seems mean and cruel to others [22:33] *** simpleirc (simpleirc@sorcery-lipt5t.8vjo.im0d.1011.2600.IP) has joined #adf [22:33] I digress [22:33] I am a daughter of the Morrigan, for me she is a mother. Others see her differently [22:34] *** simpleirc (simpleirc@sorcery-lipt5t.8vjo.im0d.1011.2600.IP) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [22:34] How have others seen her? [22:34] She scares a lot of people [22:34] *** simpleirc (simpleirc@sorcery-lipt5t.8vjo.im0d.1011.2600.IP) has joined #adf [22:35] Like dark and scary at first but when you get close she is full of light? [22:36] No. She is different things to different people.. [22:36] oh! jeez! it did connect! [22:37] Welcome [22:37] Welcome [22:37] and I've missed half the conversation. [22:37] I'll ask you sim, [22:37] umm. it's Beej. trying to get the app to work [22:38] What is your view of spirit guides? [22:38] Oh.... [22:39] I'm in a similar boat with mine Rovena, [22:39] I've never had one, but i imagine them to be of the nature spirit variety of Beings [22:40] Hmm, I'm not sure where to place them been [22:40] *Beej [22:41] could be ancestors, too,i imagine [22:42] Some seem godlike, some seem like ancestors, some seem like they are typical nature spirits having never had a human host [22:43] I think it may go back to perception [22:44] i missed part of the convo trying to switch away from the browser.... but yeah, they just seem like other Beings.... anywhere along the Kindred spectrum, though most seem like nature spirits or ancestors more than full on deities. [22:44] possibly even beings from within the courts of the greater deities. [22:47] is there a reason behind the deep question, or are we philosophizing? [22:47] I went to a medium the other day [22:47] Specifically to ask about my guide [22:48] We need a reason? [22:49] I treat most "adventures " as science experiments as well [22:49] philosophizing is always reason enough for me. I was just curious. [22:49] No worries Beej [22:50] So my deity I'm focused on is the Cailleach [22:51] Cool [22:53] I was trying to figure out if my spirit Guide is deity related, I don't know enough about the other side to answer this yet. [22:53] And my conversation with the medium was pretty short [22:55] So I ask you what has yours helped you with in this world and how do you communicate with your spirit guide [22:57] I am turning into a pumpkin so I will bide you all good night. [22:57] *** Rovena (Mibbit@sorcery-334lba.mo.charter.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:58] Ok night [22:58] ah... I've met a few Beings in trance over the years, and I've had a deity take an interest in me, but never had a regular guide of any sort. so this is interesting from an observer point of view [22:59] Agreed [22:59] A few things stuck out [23:00] mostly, there's a sense of "hey! pay attention!" [23:00] for me [23:00] which things? [23:01] I asked for symbols the medium saw none [23:02] Only an energy mass [23:02] I subconsciously saw it as an oval of shadow [23:02] huh [23:03] OK [23:03] It had a personality [23:03] A very forward personality [23:04] not the same as your own personality? [23:05] similar but way more forward [23:05] sorry, i don't think we've chatted before so i don't want to assume [23:05] ah [23:07] so like a best friend [23:07] Also the medium said when you get close it shows its light, convincing me of some sort of cloak [23:09] Throw me in the looney wagon now, but I'm inclined to work with this spirit [23:09] doesn't sound loony [23:10] A good friend yes [23:11] you're looking to work with mother winter. why be surprised to encounter an air spirit? [23:11] *** WitchedOne (IceChat78@sorcery-rgj.8om.2.8.IP) has joined #adf [23:11] Supposedly he is "very powerful " with what I don't know but I'm not dead yet and I work in construction [23:12] What clues give the impression of an air spirit? [23:12] hi, I'm new and studying druidism. I'm currently reading The Druid Handbook by John Michael Greer. [23:13] Hi [23:14] just a sec driving [23:14] He is an interesting fellow, heard a few interviews of John on some podcasts [23:15] I've read books on other subjects of his [23:16] So your a fan? [23:16] well I was hoping it was a good book to begin with [23:16] but yes I suppose I am [23:17] Nice [23:17] I use his Encyclopedia of Natural Magic quite often [23:18] He deals in ethics and customs correct? [23:18] *** simpleirc1 (simpleirc@sorcery-srqg6o.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #adf [23:19] damn. even the app tosses me when I'm not looking. [23:19] not sure about that [23:19] am i back? [23:19] yes simpleirc [23:19] Yes [23:19] don't laugh, but the notion that it's an air spirit came to me before i thought about it. [23:20] but the nebulosity of it, and its forwardness rather lend to the idea, so.... [23:20] *** simpleirc (simpleirc@sorcery-lipt5t.8vjo.im0d.1011.2600.IP) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] [23:21] Interesting, the medium mentioned something about fairies are at his call when he can't get to me [23:22] Which ties the air spirit closer [23:22] and the light showing when close, remind me of silver lining or how a cloud changes as you get closer [23:24] This baffles me, It's been in front of my nose and I never bothered looking at air [23:25] Sorry witches one [23:25] sometimes a second pair of... er... eyes [23:25] ok [23:26] sorry. i got dumped and came back in on your conversation. [23:26] apparently phones are not good to chat on [23:26] I need to go so I can't fill you in, maybe Beej errr sim can fill you in [23:27] gimme a sec. I'm home finally and logging on desktop [23:27] Thanks for the viewpoints sim I will look down that avenue [23:28] *** Zekra (Mibbit@sorcery-0q0.ub2.53.45.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [23:29] *** Beej (Mibbit@sorcery-srqg6o.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #adf [23:29] OK. I'm back. Ignore the SImpleIRC handle [23:30] *** simpleirc1 (simpleirc@sorcery-srqg6o.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [23:31] WitchedOne, I think I saw you were asking about JM Greer? [23:36] Or not. [23:39] -I was asking if The Druid Handbook was a good starter book? [23:39] I'm studying druidism [23:40] It's decent enough. One of many views on modern druidism [23:41] are there better resources? [23:43] Better? Possibly not. Each of the 'founders' of modern druidism has written a book which delivers their take on it. _Bonewits's Essential Guide to Druidism_ is a good starter book for anyone interested in the ADF style of druidism [23:44] _The Druid Source Book_ is a good starter book for anyone interested in the OBOD style of druidism [23:44] thanks! [23:46] Greer's book is a good starter for folks interested in folks interested in the AODA style of druidism. As Greer was once an ADF member and later founded AODA [23:46] oh didnt know that [23:48] Yep. Bonewits founded ADF.... and while Matthews didn't found OBOD, he along with Philip Carr-Gomm sort of restarted it - or at least breathed new life in the floundering group [23:49] not much is known for real about the druids, as they didn't write anything down and most was destroyed [23:51] They certainly didn't rely on written text for disseminating information to the masses, so much was lost, though not all. [23:52] [00:01] *** WitchedOne (IceChat78@sorcery-rgj.8om.2.8.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!] [00:09] *** Beej (Mibbit@sorcery-srqg6o.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] *** Closed channel log for #adf at 2016-07-13 12:27:30 AM *** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-07-19 8:23:34 PM [20:23] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [20:23] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [20:23] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [20:23] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [20:23] [Owlhawk] hello [20:23] Hello [20:23] I am still jealous! [20:24] [Owlhawk] The Seafood Alfredo was fabulous! [20:24] [Owlhawk] :) [20:26] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:26] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:27] Nice! Not exactly close but we might bump into each other sometime [20:28] Definitely [20:29] *** Dest (Mibbit@sorcery-bt9g22.fios.verizon.net) has joined #adf [20:30] *** LukeLandry (Mutter@sorcery-qudm2q.east.verizon.net) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [20:30] Hello Dest [20:31] Hello! First time in :) [20:32] Cool [20:32] [Owlhawk] welcome then [20:32] *** ConorWarren (Mibbit@sorcery-j98srd.pools.spcsdns.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:32] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:32] Thanks [20:32] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:32] Welcome [20:34] Any questions or topics on your mind? [20:35] *** ConorWarren (Mibbit@sorcery-vhdgjn.res.rr.com) has joined #adf [20:35] Sorry, had to switch from phone to computer [20:36] I'm hoping to finish my DP stuff this month/early next month. [20:36] Understand that [20:36] Excellent [20:36] It only took like 3 years. . .though to be fair I joined when I was 19 and had to finish college [20:36] It is a good feeling to finish it [20:36] lately I've been trying to fit my practice with me feeling I'm better described as a monist polytheist, at least at the moment [20:36] [Owlhawk] well done [20:36] Not bad [20:37] I just started, overwealmed, ill get it though! Determined. [20:37] *** Victoria_S (Mutter@sorcery-tpdrp8.eg7g.om1c.0306.2602.IP) has joined #adf [20:37] I got my degree in Religious Studies so, I had to read a ton to begin with [20:38] Just take it nice and slow and you'll get it done [20:38] Evening ... Sorry I'm late [20:38] Hello Victoria [20:38] Hi Rovena [20:38] Dest - there are lots of people who are happy to help you [20:39] Thanks [20:39] Theres so much to take in, have to pace myself... [20:40] Definitely It is a journey of self discovery not a race [20:41] A DP race would be really strange, wouldn't it? [20:42] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:42] Heh .. I know folks who took 10 years [20:42] Not sure what it would look like [20:42] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:42] *** Onyxspider (Mibbit@sorcery-qcus37.or.frontiernet.net) has joined #adf [20:43] *** Onyxspider (Mibbit@sorcery-qcus37.or.frontiernet.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:43] I took almost that long [20:44] *** Dest (Mibbit@sorcery-bt9g22.fios.verizon.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:45] Life can get in the way of any plans [20:45] Right now my biggest concern is my verbosity [20:46] [Owlhawk] I was over 90 pages, so you should be fine [20:47] First draft - write all you want then edit carefully [20:47] My problem was the opposite I prefer to use 3 words if that is all I need [20:48] Somebody told me not to go triple the word limit [20:48] *** Raggiedmon_ (IceChat9@sorcery-4f8phb.abhsia.telus.net) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] [20:48] I think it was on the FB group [20:48] [Owlhawk] that's the rule of thumb [20:48] Or a FB group [20:48] That is the rule of thumb. [20:48] Rovena, are you an engineer by any chance? [20:48] No but my father was [20:49] *** Dest (Mibbit@sorcery-bt9g22.fios.verizon.net) has joined #adf [20:49] Oh! Maybe it was passed down. Most engineers I know prefer to be concise [20:50] My degree was BS in Social Science and qualified to teach language arts as well [20:50] He passed a lot down to me [20:51] Are you close to your father? [20:52] Yes I am but not physically He is in Missouri [20:53] I was up there last week visiting him [20:54] *** Dest (Mibbit@sorcery-bt9g22.fios.verizon.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:56] *** tannithdt (Mibbit@sorcery-46ekuj.md.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:58] So anyone have something they want to explore? [20:59] That's really good to hear :3! It is always nice to see Pagans that are close to their parents [20:59] *** Dest (Mibbit@sorcery-bt9g22.fios.verizon.net) has joined #adf [21:00] I have been lucky there [21:00] One question that has been on my mind as of late is the matter of benevolence [21:01] Okay how so? [21:02] *** Dest (Mibbit@sorcery-bt9g22.fios.verizon.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:02] (sorry about short interruptions, partner has company over. They are doing stuff, so I'm being a good host and making sure they have what they need.) [21:03] Hospitiality is a virtue [21:03] *** Onyxspider (Mibbit@sorcery-qcus37.or.frontiernet.net) has joined #adf [21:03] Well, I've been contemplating whether the gods are essentially benevolent by the fact that they bestow blessings and gifts upon us that are of immensely more value to us than what we give. [21:04] Depends on the god. Many are, a few less so [21:04] Well, I guess I'm more of wondering if the very existence of this exchange is indicative of a particular kind of benevolence [21:04] And it depends on our relationship with them [21:04] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-7i3835.ipv6.telus.net) has joined #adf [21:05] Sort of like how a doctor doing his or her job is behaving benevolently even if we wouldn't call benevolence a central aspect of that person's character [21:05] Maybe they are an asshole offcall [21:06] As a Celt, everything is dependent on developing a relationship [21:06] Well I think that many of the gods have an interest in helping humans ... But the relationship is key [21:06] With the Gods, my grove mates, my community [21:06] Oh of course [21:06] I'm assuming the context of the relationship [21:07] Not a universal or automatic benevolence [21:07] Then yeah ... Like you want to help your friends, I think [21:08] Part of what got me thinking of this were my studies, particularly concerning Krishna and Yamunaji [21:08] If a god isn't interested I imagine they would ignore you [21:09] Oh, I know that from experience :P [21:09] I went from devotee of Athena to being gently guided out of Hellenism in the course of a year. It was extremely painful [21:12] What is your current hearth culture? [21:13] I'm transitioning to Roman [21:13] I was a Hellenic Polytheist before I joined ADF [21:13] Interesting [21:14] The transition was made under the guidance of couple of diviners [21:14] It was one of a few options I was thinking about, but wasn't even the foremost one [21:15] I'm 23 now and have been a Pagan since I was 18, so only five years but I was really intense on Hellenism till last summer when things fell apart [21:15] THings can do that [21:16] It was my entire world [21:16] Is the transition working for you [21:16] It is a little awkward but I am learning [21:16] I was told it would be awkward at the start [21:16] It is so extremely weird to go from a place where you are super comfortable to re-learning stuff [21:17] Learning is good. [21:17] Definitely! And if I go with my plan to have some Gaelic undertones I get both Samhain and Saturnalia to celebrate ;P [21:18] *** ravenclaw (Mibbit@sorcery-7emvnn.res.rr.com) has joined #adf [21:18] That is logical as both hearths existed side by side [21:18] My thoughts exactly! [21:18] There are a number of dual hearth folks [21:19] One of my best friends does Anglo-Saxon Heathenry and Roman [21:19] Welsh & Norse here [21:20] That seems like it'd make for a lot of fun times [21:20] Hubby is Celtic - Norse [21:21] [Owlhawk] `hellenic [21:21] [Owlhawk] here [21:21] Nice! [21:21] I may have a book or two to send you if you are interested [21:22] I'm not trying to get rid of ALL of my Hellenic books but my guy says I do need to cut down on some of my books. We don't have space atm [21:22] (Not Hellenic per se, just in general) [21:22] HUbby is finishing an addition to house so I canh ave a library [21:23] I'm jealous. We live in an apartment which I hate. [21:23] [Owlhawk] sure. I accept all books! Although I need more book shelves.... [21:23] No privacy really, especially if you get too loud during sex or boardgames or something. [21:23] Alright, I'm culling this week, do you have a good way I could reach you? [21:24] [Owlhawk] are you on facebook? [21:24] Yup! [21:24] https://www.facebook.com/conortheboring [21:24] [Owlhawk] I'm the one that posted the chat in each facebook group that Rovenna bumped this week. add me [21:25] I'm not in the dedicant group [21:25] I join and leave groups a lot on FB. I have productivity problems sometimes [21:26] [Owlhawk] I think I found you [21:26] Does the picture have a sexy unibrow? [21:26] [Owlhawk] check your facebook [21:26] Also, I"m extremely vulgar [21:26] Ummmm, nada [21:27] https://www.facebook.com/conortheboring [21:27] That's my page [21:27] There it goes [21:27] OH JAY! [21:27] Your name is very familiar [21:27] [Owlhawk] that's me [21:27] I may have seen you on forums or summat [21:28] [Owlhawk] occasionally, when I have the energy for it [21:29] *** Victoria_S (Mutter@sorcery-tpdrp8.eg7g.om1c.0306.2602.IP) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] [21:33] Well at any rate, pleasure to meet you :3! Or re-meet you, possibly [21:33] [Owlhawk] lol [21:33] [Owlhawk] and the same in return [21:35] *** ravenclaw (Mibbit@sorcery-7emvnn.res.rr.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:38] *** thehouseofthot (Mibbit@sorcery-tj3pd7.dsl.telepac.pt) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:42] *** Rovena (Mibbit@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:43] *** Rovena (Mibbit@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:43] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:47] May, we have gotten quiet [21:50] *** Victoria_S (Mutter@sorcery-tpdrp8.eg7g.om1c.0306.2602.IP) has joined #adf [21:50] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:50] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:53] A little, sorry :P [21:53] Is it weird that I'm having "what's next" anxiety about finishing the DP? [21:53] It is okay. Just tyring to encourage people to join in [21:53] [Owlhawk] no it's not [21:53] Actually it is very common [21:54] Trust me. It is worth the effort [21:54] so many options on the other side [21:56] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:56] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:57] *** Victoria_S (Mutter@sorcery-tpdrp8.eg7g.om1c.0306.2602.IP) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] [21:58] Have you thought about what will be next for you? [21:59] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:59] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:04] Not too much [22:04] I'm kinda uncertain since I'm still transitioning to the Roman stuff [22:05] I think I may do the GP and join a guild [22:05] [Owlhawk] have you joined the Roman mailing list? [22:05] That sounds like a good plan [22:05] I'm not really super into mailing lists [22:05] I never know how to use them [22:06] [Owlhawk] there's a lot of people with exeperience and knowledge on it that can help with questions [22:06] [Owlhawk] and tthere's a forum on the website that mirrors the mailing list [22:07] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:07] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:09] Oh! I may do the forum then [22:12] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:12] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:15] [Owlhawk] all the mailing lists are available on the forum on the website [22:19] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:19] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:20] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:20] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:35] *** rovenamarie (rovenamarie@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:35] *** Rovena (Mibbit@sorcery-o5pai1.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:44] *** Jondlevy (Mibbit@sorcery-301lob.ptld.qwest.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] *** Closed channel log for #adf at 2016-07-19 11:01:26 PM