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[20:00] <rovena> Hello Everyone
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[20:10] <JasonM> Evning all
[20:10] [Owlhawk] HELLO
[20:10] <rovena> Hello Jason
[20:10] <JasonM> how is everyone this evening
[20:11] <RovenaWindsor> Doing well
[20:12] <JasonM> Double talking Rovena?
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[20:13] <rovena> I have trouble staying connected so I have two sign ins so I can see what is miss while off line
[20:13] <JasonM> ah, crafty
[20:14] <JasonM> is there any topic for today?
[20:15] <RovenaWindsor> No set topic.  Whatever people want to talk about
[20:17] <JasonM> so a lively discussion about the weather?
[20:18] <rovena> Weather here is hot and dry No storms expected til Monday
[20:18] <JasonM> finally nice here after a week of rain.
[20:19] <rovena> Owlhawk, you still have snow?
[20:19] <JasonM> did anyone see about the kid who may have discovered a new ancient south american city by overlaying star maps onto current satellite images?
[20:20] [Owlhawk] THANKTHE GODS NO!!!! alothough the pagan campground we go to had some last weekend!\
[20:20] <rovena> Yes. He sounds amazing
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[20:20] <rovena> Hello Matthew
[20:21] <Matthew_Seneca> Hello
[20:21] <rovena> Have they done any digging at the site?
[20:22] <JasonM> no, there is not yet a expidition planned.
[20:23] <JasonM> apparently it's one of the more inaccessible areas
[20:24] <rovena> Which is probably why it hadn't been found before
[20:24] <JasonM> I suspect so.
[20:25] <JasonM> there are a few stories about amateurs finding new sites via satellite images.
[20:26] <rovena> Amateurs often have the passion needed to do the drudge work on short budgets
[20:27] <JasonM> I think thats how they found a lot of the expanded sites around Salisbury planes.
[20:28] <rovena> Agreed
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[20:38] <rovena> Are we on to the next topic?
[20:40] <JasonM> tangent topic. What are peoples thoughts on on religious monument building in modern context.
[20:42] <rovena> Private monies on private lands is great
[20:44] <JasonM> where do you draw that line though. is group money spent on private land acceptable? how big does a group need to be before it's collective holdings are effectively public?
[20:46] <rovena> Public land is governmental owned land; private is nongovernmentally owned land
[20:46] <rovena> It is best if an organization owns the land that it sinks its monies into
[20:47] <rovena> IRS has strict rules about where non-profits can invest their monies
[20:48] <JasonM> well yes, I suppose all that is true from a legal perspective.
[20:49] <JasonM> What do you think of those sorts of investments from a social perspective.
[20:49] <JasonM> is it the type of thing people would like to see done?
[20:50] <JasonM> What sort of value does an investment like a monument provide?
[20:50] <rovena> If my "grove" has the funds to buy land and build on it, great.  I would love to have a pagan place to worship instead of   using outher mundane sites
[20:51] <rovena> Does a church have value to its members?
[20:51] <JasonM> I was thinking more of what would be considered "monument building" then say construction of nematon
[20:52] <JasonM> what value does the vatican actualy provide to the people? the Rio Jesus?
[20:53] <JasonM> some traditionally pagan monuments may have also been a primary worship space (Stonehenge) but perhaps not all.
[20:53] <rovena> To some, none. To others, a great deal.
[20:54] <JasonM> how very political of an answer ;)
[20:54] <rovena> It is a true answer
[20:55] <rovena> Some Catholics don't want things like Rio Jesus but it means a great deal to others
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[20:56] <JasonM> ok less abstract then, would you like to see ADF build a religious monument of some sort in the future?
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[20:56] <JasonM> would you find that sort of thing valuable?
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[20:58] <Guest35656> Yes, I personally prefer to worship in a nemeton
[20:58] [Owlhawk] Why does it matter?
[20:58] <JasonM> it doesn't matter really just a question.
[20:59] <JasonM> many pagan societies used to build seemingly impossibly large and / or complex structures. It's not something we do any more.
[21:00] <JasonM> Do we not do it because we just don't have the ability, or do we just not want to do that sort of thing anymore for some reason.
[21:01] <JasonM> it may be true that we lack the capacity to such a degree that we have no idea if we want to.
[21:01] [Owlhawk] modern western society is not a pagan society. Let's get the basics down first, like elder care, ie nursing home options etc
[21:03] <JasonM> Thats a good point, way to add practicality to my hypothetical.
[21:04] <Guest35656> I agree with Owlhawk
[21:04] <JasonM> elder care is a difficult topic. religious based or otherwise.
[21:05] [Owlhawk] it's an example of just one of the much more important areas we have, as a religous group, to put money towards.
[21:08] <LaurenN> honestly, neopagans can't even decide if they want priests, let alone whether they want permanent spaces or other religious functions
[21:10] <Guest35656> Herding cats
[21:11] [Owlhawk] that's what multiple cans of tuna are for!@
[21:13] <Guest35656> Yeah but I have one that is only on formula and cheese at the moment
[21:13] [Owlhawk] details, details!
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[21:15] <RovenaWindsor> Old moma cat showed up here again; had three kittens then deserted them again.  We have one left but Godzilla is very healthy
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[21:15] <RovenaWindsor> Godzilla is about 4 weeks old
[21:15] <RovenaWindsor> fluffy with no tail
[21:18] <RovenaWindsor> Bootise is not happy to have her territory invaded but a fluff ball so she is staying as high up as she can
[21:18] <RovenaWindsor> Max (Bichon) is fine with the kitten until it looks for a teat.
[21:19] [Owlhawk] lol
[21:20] <JasonM> ok folks I'm off for the night. sleep well
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[21:21] <RovenaWindsor> Til next time
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