*** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-03-29 7:38:41 PM [19:38] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [19:38] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:38] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [19:38] =NickServ= Password accepted - you are now recognized. [19:38] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:50] *** LIMike (Mibbit@sorcery-do9jqi.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #adf [19:51] Hello LIMike [19:51] How are you tonight? [19:58] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [19:58] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [19:58] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:58] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:58] Evening [19:58] How are you? [19:58] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:59] [Owlhawk] hello [19:59] Doing well tonight [19:59] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [19:59] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:59] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:59] Hello Owlhawk [20:00] [Owlhawk] hi are you rovena? [20:00] Due to connectivity problems, I am logged in as two people. [20:01] I am both Rovenas [20:01] Evening Owlhawk [20:01] [Owlhawk] figured as much [20:01] [Owlhawk] hi Limike\ [20:02] From Long Island -Paumonock Island PG [20:02] [Owlhawk] Didn't know there was one there. [20:03] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #adf [20:03] Hello Matthew [20:04] Hello all. [20:04] *** Thexalon (Mibbit@sorcery-0tgeda.res.rr.com) has joined #adf [20:04] Hello Thexalon [20:05] In da hizzous [20:05] Indeed there is Evening Matthew [20:05] How are ya'll? [20:06] Good day for me today. [20:06] Expecting storms tomorrow [20:07] *** LaurenN (Mibbit@sorcery-ivunfg.tx.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:08] Hello Lauren [20:08] Evening, Folks. [20:09] [Owlhawk] Bad storms rovena? [20:09] *** NancyMcA (Mibbit@sorcery-gou1n0.va.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:10] Could be. Up to 3 inches of rain, hail, and maybe tornado [20:10] Hello Nancy [20:10] [Owlhawk] ouch. stay safe [20:10] Congrats on your job, Nancy! [20:11] thanks! [20:11] hola folks [20:11] It could go north of us. Wait and see [20:12] [Owlhawk] hello. nancy. good luck with the new job [20:12] Just remember: Hagilaz also brings fertility in the long run. [20:12] Rovena, that soundspretty intense. yikes! [20:13] It that time of year. [20:13] this is true [20:14] I'm just dealing with wild temperature fluctuations: about 19C on Thursday, snow on Saturday. Which is good for maple syruping if nothing else. [20:15] Not so worrisome when you're used to hearing about it huh rovena? [20:15] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:15] our VA weather is just teasing us. Hovers around nearly warm enough for no coat....but not quite... [20:16] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:16] *** Bjorn (Mibbit@sorcery-ekn1kp.res.rr.com) has joined #adf [20:16] But the violets are finally blooming, so I know sustained warm is coming... [20:16] Hello Bjorn [20:16] Good evening :) [20:18] *** LIMike (Mibbit@sorcery-do9jqi.dyn.optonline.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:18] [Owlhawk] those of us who still have snow eagerly await this mythical 'sustained warm' [20:18] heh [20:18] Got up this AM it was 43 F and tomorrow when I get up it should be lows 60s [20:19] once I get my fill, I'll send it on [20:19] It's the age-old dilemma of planting season - put your plants in too early, you get nothing. Put them in too late, and you don't get much. [20:19] So true [20:19] I'm lucky I live where I do, but then *summer* is the dead season here. [20:19] and I started zilch inside this year. [20:19] [Owlhawk] standing rule here is wait till may for most things to be planted [20:20] many folks around here will tell you to wait til Mother's Day to plant. But we've gone up a zone or two since that was reliable advice [20:21] I've already seeded carrots, radish, peas, and lettuce-type things [20:21] our "last frost" date is March 17, but this year we didn't even get a first frost [20:21] I usually plant the first weekend in march, and then harvest in May [20:21] Lauren, do you live where misdummer planting gives fall yeilds? [20:22] Well, I'm in the "I really need to think about seeding inside" stage. I'm seeding inside because last year the weeds took over. [20:22] can't plant that early. second planting is usually in September, and then harvest at Christmas [20:22] gotcha [20:22] and you can grow cruciferous veg and onions and garlic and other things over the winter [20:22] I live in Houston, so 3 growing seasons that don't include June, July, and August [20:23] we can keep them from dying over the winter here, but there isn't much growth. Though the last two years have been the exceptions (new norms?) [20:23] the bees in VA never even stop laying brood this winter [20:23] Sadly, new norms. They've just confirmed smallest extent of winter sea ice in recorded history. [20:24] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:24] Thex, I need to introduce you to my good friend, the 10" mulch system [20:25] And I need to introduce you to my enemy, the 1" topsoil yard I have to work with. [20:25] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:26] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:26] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:26] not even a thing for hefty sheet mulch! I have grown successfully on a paved driveway! [20:26] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:26] Ok, well, then I'll look into it. [20:27] Do you compost, Thex? [20:28] Not in any kind of organized way. I don't have a lot of space, and I'm in the sort of neighborhood where there would be neighbor issues if I did that. [20:29] So I'm mostly buying topsoil to add in. Last years' weedmania was an improvement over the previous years' absolute nothing. [20:30] with a deep sheet mulch you can compost right in it and no one will know! [20:30] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:30] *** Bjorn (Mibbit@sorcery-ekn1kp.res.rr.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:30] Yup, I'm looking it over. [20:30] I compost in an old trash can. [20:30] So it just looks like a trash can on the side of the garage [20:31] Husband took a big drill bit and put holes in the sides for drainage [20:31] I worked with a guy who had a nasty HOA. he kept his compostables in a 5 gal bucket. then every couple of weeks, dug a hole, dumped it in, covered it up. all around his garden bed. [20:31] All the kitchen waste goes in there, plus what yard waste I can scrounge up after the lawn guys get done. [20:33] also, vermiculture! For when composting won't cut it! [20:34] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #adf [20:34] [Owlhawk] verimculture? [20:34] worm bins [20:34] [Owlhawk] ah [20:36] Or, as it might be known where I live: Gull feeding. We get a lot of them about. [20:38] That's one reason I like the spring season so much, actually: We become a busy bird area during the migration seasons. [20:38] I dropped out for a second sorry! I just got my first outdoor garden going. I have a few seedlings sprouting up right now actually. It's my first excursion into this realm so I'm excited. It's good for the kids too. [20:38] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:38] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:39] Hooray for folks starting gardens! [20:39] Plus, y'know, the "other crowd" seems to like it when you do that. [20:39] *** rovena is now known as Guest64977 [20:39] it is honestly my favorite topic! [20:40] [Owlhawk] Gardens I plant tend to die for some reason. [20:40] last year's garden was huge, green, and didn't produce anything that wasn't green beans, for some absolutely unknown reason [20:40] not a single tomato [20:40] I had one going at an apartment but I forgot that vines can meld with screen [20:40] so this year everything I'm planting is new and experimental [20:40] last year was terrible for tomatoes across the board [20:40] (except the green beans) [20:40] Well, in my case it was green beans, basil, and a few tomatoes. But not much else. [20:41] I lost my green bean :( [20:41] *** Guest64977 is now known as Rovena [20:41] I have to plant some new [20:41] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:41] I had gallons of green beans - Bush Blue Lake is my favorite cultivar [20:41] I pickle them. They're delicious. [20:41] Pickled green beans? [20:41] yep! [20:41] they are super hardy and resistant to durn near everything [20:41] we call them dilly beans [20:42] I've had them with garlic and vinegar but do you mean like a whole process? [20:42] basically a spicy dill pickle green bean [20:42] Sounds delicious [20:42] *** Rovena (rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:42] hot process pickles - pack jars with spices and beans, pour over hot pickle liquid, and then process in a water bath [20:42] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:42] Lauren, ever tried any of the white half runner beans? [20:42] You can pickle nearly anything. My personal favorite, though, has to be pickled garlic. [20:42] http://www.freshpreserving.com/Dilly%20Beans%20-%20WaterBath%20Canning [20:42] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:43] I've never tried anything but bush beans, because of space - I'm growing in a 10x12foot, 8 inch raised bed. [20:43] i see [20:44] Now that's something I'm about to build myself a bed. The soil here is mostly sand and somewhat hydrophobic [20:44] we're all red clay here, so I've been adding sand and compost to my bed for five years [20:44] and it's still full of clods XD [20:45] clay is really nutrient dense though [20:46] it is! and it's good at holding water, which we need here [20:46] but it's too dense to really plant straight into. [20:46] compost is the magic bullet. Too much clay? addcompost. too much sand? add compost [20:46] There's a pit near my house that I can get some clay from but I'm going to have to buy the soil....which is somehow odd to me. [20:47] I might have to con a coworker into dropping some dung near my garden. [20:47] if you can, start stealing the coffee grounds from your work - really great compost there too [20:47] Out of curiosity, NancyMcA, what's your view on humanure? Good idea, bad idea? [20:47] unseasonedmanure is really high in nitrogen and could burn your plants. tread lightly with poo [20:48] I am a-ok with humanure if processed correctly. [20:48] That last one isn't so much for my current semi-suburban life, more for where I think I'm heading down the road. [20:49] There is some available from stores, milorganite.... [20:49] and the permaculture farm where I studied had nothing but composting toilets. [20:50] Makes total sense to me - circle of life and all that. [20:50] But, with our diet full of garbage and high meat intake, things get a little complicated. but absolutely! We should always be working toward closing the systems! use the poo to grw the food! [20:51] I have a friend with an enviro engineering degree from Finland, and she has all sorts of fun uses for poo [20:51] it's great [20:51] makes me want to convert my house and yard to be more sustainable [20:52] me too [20:52] My work actually uses reclaimed water to hydrate the surrounding area. [20:52] And when you think about it, really the only use for yards that makes any sense is growing stuff or composting stuff. The patch of bluegrass around your house is mostly just silly. [20:53] I don't honestly know if that's a good thing but...there it is lol [20:53] That's awesome matt. There are some great plans for household greywater systems online too [20:53] I live in a mobile home so it would probably be easier to convert too. [20:53] lawns are a nasty societal conceit [20:54] ego driven bushwackery [20:54] "oh look! I am so well off that I don't even have to use my land to grow food. Aren't I oh so impressive?" [20:55] unless you raise ruminants, the lawn is a complte waste of resources [20:55] One of my favorite books of all time conceived of a bathroom system where the poo went directly to a composting bin, and the methane from that composting bin was used to help power the house, and then the compost put into the adjacent garden. That's the kind of engineering I want to see. [20:56] nice [20:56] But that reminds me that the suburbs really just don't have enough goats. [20:57] There's a whole movement going on right now where they're building communities with that engineering. [20:57] Not to mention the little houses (which seems like a fad but who knows0 [20:57] Thex, when you run for Mayor, you should totally run on the "A goat in every yard" platform! [20:57] Thor would be happy amiright? [20:58] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:58] Well, if I run for mayor, it will be of "Druid City". Which will be one of these sustainable agriculture kinds of deals. [20:58] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:58] sounds great. I'm in! [20:58] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:59] Makes me want a hobbit house with a garden out front, out back, on the roof, well you know [20:59] in urban setting rooftop gardens and vertical arms are all the rage [21:00] *farms [21:00] No, vertical arms too: Raise your hands in the air like you just don't care! [21:00] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@sorcery-gka4di.mi.comcast.net) has joined #adf [21:00] http://www.verticalfarm.com/ [21:01] Hi all! [21:01] Hiya Rob! [21:01] Hello Rob [21:01] [Owlhawk] hi Rob [21:01] *** Arin (Mibbit@sorcery-psoce0.or.comcast.net) has joined #adf [21:02] Hello Arin [21:02] Hi Rob! We've been busy in the exciting world of gardening, but could discuss something totally different if you like of course. [21:03] Good evening! [21:03] I just have a small garden plot on a raised table here at the apartment building. [21:03] I try to grow cilantro, but that rabbits eat it. [21:04] Clearly, you need more owls in your area to drive off the rabbits. [21:04] I have a bronze owl garden decoration, but they do not seem to be fooled. [21:05] the rabbits get on the table? [21:05] The tables not so high that they can't jump. [21:05] Might be squirrels. [21:06] The ends are definitely chewed, not torn or cut. [21:06] those bastard bunnies [21:06] The stolen hummingbird decoration, that was probably a human. [21:07] you could try a wire cloche to keep em out I guess.... [21:08] My alternate plan is to grow the cilantro inside this year. >8) [21:08] those bastard humans. [21:08] or that [21:09] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@sorcery-oaru1r.ca.charter.com) has joined #adf [21:09] hi everyone [21:09] hola! [21:10] Hello Trent [21:15] how is everyone? [21:16] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:16] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:16] Well, that just went quiet all of a sudden. I'm enjoying the signs of spring, even if we're still supposed to get snow this week. [21:17] *** Rovena is now known as Guest51561 [21:17] Pretty good here, we've have the screen door open for the first time this year and are enjoying the spring weather. [21:18] I think we lost a few of the conversation movers [21:18] *** Guest51561 is now known as Rovena [21:19] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:19] Sorry, was distracted on this end. [21:19] Not that I had much to say this evening in any case! [21:20] Your smiling face is always welcome. [21:20] But chasing rabbits can lead to some strange places, as Jefferson Airplane explained. [21:20] Very true [21:21] sorry, my little one is battling stinkbugs in her room and I'm called in as reinforcements. [21:21] Good evening all! [21:21] I think i may have wascally wabbit problems soon. I live pretty close to a preserve and have seen a couple nearby. [21:21] Night Nancy [21:21] [Owlhawk] good night Nancy [21:22] gnight, Nancy. [21:22] Rescue a couple of cats. They are good for rabbits as well as for mice or at least mine are [21:22] Matthew_Seneca - don't order from Acme any tools to try to catch them. [21:23] *** NancyMcA (Mibbit@sorcery-gou1n0.va.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:24] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:24] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:24] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:27] I just have to ask: Rovena, why do you seem to keep popping in? [21:27] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:28] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:28] Connectivity issues. Satelite [21:28] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:29] Living in rural Louisiana has its down sides [21:29] I can imagine. In fact, I'm a little unclear on the upsides, but to each their own. [21:30] I'm off for MMO purposes, night all! [21:30] Few neighbors and fresh air [21:30] Night Rob [21:30] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@sorcery-gka4di.mi.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:30] Adios. I think things are winding down in any event. [21:31] Night Thexalon [21:31] *** Thexalon (Mibbit@sorcery-0tgeda.res.rr.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:33] Well I'll throw in the towel as well [21:33] gotta go myself, night night :) [21:33] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@sorcery-oaru1r.ca.charter.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:33] Night, Trent [21:33] Night Matthew [21:33] gnite [21:33] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:34] Then there were four [21:36] *** LaurenN (Mibbit@sorcery-ivunfg.tx.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:39] So what do we want to talk about now? [21:40] [Owlhawk] I think it's only you and I left [21:40] Oh, I thought Arin was left but hey. [21:41] How are you doing? [21:42] [Owlhawk] good. [21:42] [Owlhawk] Had a 5 day weekend to freezing rain all Wednesday night\ [21:42] No fun. [21:43] [Owlhawk] no, but it gave me thursday off, and i was paid for the day as well [21:43] Paid time off is good [21:44] [Owlhawk] yup. [21:45] I am now volunteering 4 hours on Tuesday in the U U church office [21:46] [Owlhawk] you'll enjoy that. My wife does similar at her church [21:46] Phone rang once. [21:46] [Owlhawk] lol./ keep a candy dish on the desk and a book handy [21:46] I have several computer projects for them so I will enjoy it [21:47] No candy for my waistline but ADF studies are a definite [21:48] [Owlhawk] lol [21:50] Right now I am doing Critical Thinking Course. Wish people on Facebook would take it [21:51] [Owlhawk] all social media users need to take several courses in it. [21:51] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:52] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-6lj3cd.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:52] I hear you. I had to take Formal Logic in college for philosophy credit. [21:52] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:53] [Owlhawk] Well, game is almost over so I'm off to bed. good night rovena [21:53] Got an A in it. My father was proud but mystified cause he said I was the most illogical child he had ever seen [21:53] [Owlhawk] lol [21:53] Stay warm *** Closed channel log for #adf at 2016-03-29 9:53:22 PM