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[18:21] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [18:26] *** Julian (Mibbit@2949a74a.hsd1.pa.5aa6454b.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [18:26] *** Julian (Mibbit@2949a74a.hsd1.pa.5aa6454b.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Client Quit] [19:53] *** Victoria-Leona (Victoria@15c0ccd6.lightspeed.sntcca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:53] evening [19:54] [Owlhawk] hello [19:55] How are you doing Owl? [19:56] [Owlhawk] good. just got home from a fest Monday [19:56] nice! A good festival I hope? [19:56] [Owlhawk] great [19:57] awesome [19:57] *** mishomis (Mibbit@fc5cd7a2.bchsia.dea5ebc4.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:57] I got to go to Alaska last week … saw Icebergs, Glaciers and whales [19:57] [Owlhawk] nice [19:57] it was pretty cool [19:58] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@5a79652d.hsd1.mi.5aa6454b.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:58] [Owlhawk] hello mishomis, Rob\ [19:58] Hello Owlhawk et al. [19:58] Hi Rob, Mishomis [19:58] Hi! [19:59] Hello Victoria-Leona [20:00] *** vircuser (vircuser@6ca5f0bc.6ca5ec9d.74.83.imsk) has joined #adf [20:00] Two Young Racoons, too to the neighbours upstairs, scared me when I went out back to have a look. They took off into the night. Cute. [20:01] That was last night. [20:01] cute :) [20:01] nick /Selene [20:01] *** vircuser is now known as Selene [20:01] Hi Selene :) [20:01] Hi All!!!! [20:01] Sometime I think we are meant to see gifts like this in nature. [20:01] Hello Selene. [20:01] Indeed … it reminds us that we are not alone [20:02] *** Lonnie (Mibbit@d17f37b3.client.de424f33.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:02] Yes, we have other relations in the wilds. [20:02] Not to forget their needs. [20:02] indeed [20:03] Good evening, everyone! I'm making tea for myself and my ancestors. Pardon me if I'm quiet :) [20:03] Well alrightea! [20:03] hi Lonnie! [20:04] I'm coding in another window, expect me to be quiet as well. But now I want tea too. [20:04] I know …. hmm …. brb .. tea time [20:04] Ja, codetea, Star Treking. [20:06] I wanted to come in and thank those that attended the Town Hall meeting last night. I know it was a bit chaotic but that's what happens when it's an open forum. [20:07] If it's a Code T, then I pity the fool. [20:07] Office clean, clothes laundered, still sunny out. [20:07] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@66fa1b5b.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:07] We're looking into better organization and maybe a different platform [20:07] [Owlhawk] Unfortunately I had to work last evening [20:07] Hi all! [20:07] [Owlhawk] hello [20:07] Hi Sara [20:07] Hi SaraBlackwelder [20:07] Selene, I thought it was a good first Town Hall [20:08] I did too [20:08] I thought it was good as well [20:08] Lots of people there! [20:09] yep, I'm looking into a better chat room than IRC though [20:10] One must ask, is it free, is does it provide a better forum structure, and are there cookies. [20:10] I agree [20:11] Also, is it web based? I use the IRC web chat at work because our firewall blocks irc apps [20:12] I'll keep looking, if not we'll just have to stick with what we have :) [20:12] Very well comment. Is it web-based and will it serve both Mac and PC platforms.] [20:12] AH, never thought about MAC platforms, thanks [20:12] heh .. yeah I'm on a mac now [20:12] Some web-based sites do not provide for Mac users needs. [20:13] really? [20:13] Well, I just wanted to say thanks to those that attended and to watch for the next town hall meeting. [20:13] I've only used the adf site for IRC .. not any others. [20:14] Thank you for organizing it Selene! [20:14] I didn't organize it Crystal did but I'm glad she did [20:14] Love to you all, I'm outa here :) [20:14] Thanks to Crystal too! [20:14] have a great night Selene! [20:15] *** Selene (vircuser@6ca5f0bc.6ca5ec9d.74.83.imsk) has left #adf [20:15] Night selene! [20:15] Also, see if it requires downloading an app. [20:15] So how is everyone? What are you all working on? [20:15] Trying to stay sane …. I haven't had a week at home for the last 6 weeks [20:15] [Owlhawk] butterd popcorn [20:16] also waiting on my tea to brew ... [20:16] waiting on tea to finsih brewing [20:16] Oh no Victoria! No fun [20:16] My cookie theory. [20:16] spiritually speaking, working on the DP [20:16] well .. it's kinda fun … some work, some vacation … but I find that just travelling wears me out [20:16] Tea sounds great! Too late for me though [20:16] herbal teas? [20:17] It is tiresome to travel a lot [20:17] nope. good ol not so southern sweet tea lol [20:17] Probably could, but I will skip tonight [20:17] indeed .. usually I try to space it out more, but this was a bunch of stuff that I couldn't move dates on. [20:17] Anyone from BC here? [20:17] Where in the DP work are you Lonnie? [20:18] No, FL here [20:18] I'm in CA [20:18] Thanks for the replies everyone. [20:19] :-) [20:19] I finished my high day essay and ritual essay for Loaf Fest / Lammas. I'm working on using the Core Order of Ritual. I've been a Heathen and Occultist for so many years, I've got to relearn some methods. [20:20] Ahh, that can be interesting to relearn things. But good for you on getting those essays done! [20:21] [Owlhawk] And Rob's in Michicgan and you should remember where I am mishomis [20:21] *** thehouseofthot (Mibbit@8a98fed5.dsl.ccd2c5b3.pt.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:21] Good evening all [20:22] hi thehouseofthot [20:22] Hello [20:22] Yes, OwlHawk, I certainly do. [20:22] Hi! [20:22] I guess today I logged in late [20:22] It happens :-) [20:23] What's been today's subject? [20:23] I wasn't right on time.myself [20:23] [Owlhawk] the same as usual, what ever we come up with [20:23] Just talking about what we are working in right now [20:23] O. [20:23] On [20:23] Stupid phone keyboard [20:23] [Owlhawk] lol [20:23] lol … autocorrect + IRC … that must be entertaining [20:23] Ugh yea [20:24] *** OakStrong (Mibbit@6ca5ece1.14055a78.69.179.imsk) has joined #adf [20:24] [Owlhawk] hello [20:24] At least my typing mistakes won't have my daughter repeating them [20:24] Hi Oakstrong [20:24] I eventually decided to join ADF last Friday and am considering doing the DP [20:24] LOL Sara .. there is that [20:24] Welcome!! [20:24] Hi, Victoria. [20:25] Oh yea Victoria......we've been saying an awesome phrase she learned from mommy alas [20:25] [Owlhawk] that cute and adorable child? [20:25] That's great thehouseofthot! [20:25] Lol yes, that's a word or two for her. ;) [20:25] [Owlhawk] welcome thehouseothot [20:25] LOL .. in my case my nieces and nephews learn from their Aunty! Side effect of working in tech .... [20:26] Thanks [20:26] Yea.....she hears the firefighters talking all the time, but decided to repeat my.colorful phrase.....repeatedly bow [20:26] Now [20:27] hee hee … well .. you're mommy ... [20:27] *** OakStrong (Mibbit@6ca5ece1.14055a78.69.179.imsk) has quit IRC [Client Quit] [20:27] And even worse it's in context.... :O [20:27] ROFL [20:27] *** rovena (webchat@6ca5ecbd.14055b32.72.168.imsk) has joined #adf [20:27] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:27] Hi Rovena [20:28] [Owlhawk] hello [20:28] Hi! [20:28] [Owlhawk] well done Sara...although i thought it was aunts and uncles that were supposed to corrupt the child, not mommy..... [20:28] Thank you, Sara! [20:28] [Owlhawk] :D [20:28] I've found the hardest part of the DP so far is making the essays fit into the prescribed word count limits. [20:29] Hahaha, yea that's what I heard too! [20:29] Who can corrupt best but a parent [20:29] [Owlhawk] you're not alone there lonnie [20:29] Tea is done :) Tea for me! Tea for the hearth! [20:29] You know you can go up to three times the minimum, yes? [20:29] Blame my Grovemate for that restriction, he submitted 56 pages on the Virtues. [20:29] Lonnie, I would write what you want and then trim it up if too long [20:30] Wow!!!!! [20:30] Yes, I know I can up to three times the minimum. And I have. I'm about 16 words over on one. [20:30] I would honestly probably cry a little bit if I got that as a review. ;) [20:30] [Owlhawk] wow....that's something [20:30] 16 isn't terrible [20:30] I'm determined to conduct the next 7 high days in true ADF fashion. [20:31] It is not as scary as it seems to do a full COoR. Thats the good news! [20:32] Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I first joined ADF in 99. I still have that membership guide too. I didn't really do much in ADF at the time. I had other occult pursuits. I don't remember a DP back then. I'm loving the DP material now! [20:32] The DP was released in '98. [20:32] It's had two major revisions since then. [20:33] COoR is not hard IMO - especially if you have practice doing rituals (sounds like you have) [20:33] The original was first printed in two issues of Oak Leaves, and the Office had to take photocopies of those pages, staple them, and mail that to new members. [20:34] @Rob … seriously old school! [20:34] It helps to gain confidence when watching other rituals, I've found. What is great now, ADF has several recorded videos from the Druid Moon Casts [20:34] Sara, I'm not too worried. I've grown accustomed to Jason Miller's style after taking his course years ago. It altered my entire approach to offerings. Not all that different from ADF's approach. [20:34] Great! :-) [20:35] Does anyone here have any questions or comments on elements of the ritual? [20:36] Should I use sodium in my rites? [20:36] Rob, I'm not sure I ever got the original. No worries. I rejoined this year in July. I couldn't be more pleased with what I've found in ADF. I just wish there was an active experienced grove in my hood. [20:36] Lol Rob [20:37] Sadly, most people are in that position. (And i don't think we started mailing them until 2000, that's when I was office manager.) [20:37] And unlike some folks, I will never just say "why not start one?", I know all too well that it's not a job most people want or are good at. [20:37] *** mishomis (Mibbit@fc5cd7a2.bchsia.dea5ebc4.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:38] It is so very hard to do [20:38] "Enthusiasm is not a substitute for competence", as our founder said. >8) [20:38] I started one....and I question my sanity for doing so [20:38] :-) [20:39] [Owlhawk] And we see why I haven't started one! [20:39] PG was easier [20:39] *** mishomis (Mibbit@fc5cd7a2.bchsia.dea5ebc4.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:39] Sorry there folk, technical difficulty. [20:42] can we help chase the gremlins out? [20:42] I am a web developer, so I was thinking of putting my DP stuff in a personal wiki; has anyone done anything similar yet? I know there are blogs sharing full documentation [20:42] [Owlhawk] mine's in a blog. others have used there personal website [20:42] I put my DP up as I did it .. then updated it once it was approved [20:42] feel free to add me as a friend :) https://www.facebook.com/lonniescott [20:43] I keep my CTP work in a wiki. [20:43] I mean this as an alternative to writing it on paper notebooks, although the kid in me misses the whole school three ring binder thing [20:43] When i did the DP, wikis didn't exist. >8) [20:43] I usually have several copies saved in several spots [20:43] thehouseofthot .. I use a moleskin book for my notes & research … keeps that paper feel. Although I will also take notes online and in evernote :) [20:43] MediaWiki, tiddlywiki, what do you use, Rob? [20:43] [Owlhawk] I also use dropbox to store a copy of all study programs [20:44] WikiPad. [20:44] Does anyone use Google Drive? I was considering it since I can update the files anywhere [20:44] I love Google Drive. It's my lifeboat. [20:44] I use a lot of other google things, but haven't teally messed with that [20:45] I am more of a Dropbox guy with a cloud set at a home server, but Google Drive is great [20:45] I also use evernote. Nay ...I abuse evernote. [20:45] Evernote I never got the hang of, besides storing my lifesaving kitchen recipes for when I don't know what to cook [20:45] I use google drive for organizing events with other folks … it's easy to share [20:45] I've written for an anthology using google drive. I'm also writing another book with drive. Guess where my DP is being written? Yep, drive. Notes in evernote. [20:46] I use Evernote … I'm using it more and more, but I don't think that I'm abusing it yet :) I find it very handy for saving papers & articles on the web [20:46] @Lonnie, have you heard about the Clipbook app? [20:46] my personal journal for meditation, dream work and random insights is a Moleskine though [20:46] I haven't tried it out yet. I also find I remember better when I hand write something [20:47] Really old school, telephone, pen and pencil, the sporadic use of Morse code, all done in binary to make it look futuristic. Got to love those crib notes. [20:47] @victoria, no [20:47] How do you tag someone in your post on here? [20:47] Clipbook takes small photos of a book and tags it with the book information and page number … then saves it to evernote. You can also put in custom notes [20:48] Oh my Gods ...must have clipbook! [20:48] LOL [20:48] Very handy for library books IMO .. guarantees I get the quote right. [20:48] That sounds really cool [20:49] I can already see the benefit for book reviews. [20:49] *nod* [20:49] Taking note of that too [20:50] You all should recommend these on the dedicant and study lists. :-) [20:50] sure .. I'll see if I can find the store links for Clipbook and mail it out [20:51] :-) [20:51] Alright everyone, I am getting sleepy and need to get the kiddo to bed. Night all! [20:51] oh .. looks like it's ios only =/ [20:51] I've been trying to find resources or personal testimonies from people who started off their path in Druidry in Revival groups (like OBOD, which is my case) and managed to reconcile that with their work in ADF [20:52] Nite Sara [20:52] Night Sara [20:52] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@66fa1b5b.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:52] night Sara [20:52] @thehouseofthot, I don't think it's particularly difficult to combine them … I'm OBOD & ADF [20:52] although I'm not doing much with the OBOD training program at the moment due to lack of time ….. anyone have a time turner that I can borrow? [20:52] I came back around to ADF in a very long and winding way. Honestly, I wouldn't be here at all if not for Ian Corrigan's brilliant posts in another group, and Molly Khan assuring me Heathens are welcome lol [20:53] Drum is involved in several Druid groups. No clue which he started in, though. [20:53] We do need to do a lot more PR work to make sure peole know we aren't all Celts. [20:53] @Lonnie Heathens are very welcome! [20:53] @Rob .. very true [20:53] I've come to see that very well, Victoria! [20:54] [Owlhawk] oddly enough i had that conversation at Hearthfire this weekend Rob [20:54] I started out a Celt … and now I'm pretty much all Norse [20:54] I'm like most other people. "Druid" is heavily associated with "Celtic" in my head. [20:54] I think that that's a large part of our challenge [20:54] For those in the Vancouver BC area this upcoming weekend, Pagan Pride is happening at Trout Lake in Vancouver starting on Saturday of course. [20:54] From what I've already read on ADF.org and the DP handbook there might be some personal choices to be made concerning ritual and meditation exercises I already practice via OBOD, plus all the four elements thing which is pretty central in Revival groups, etc.; trying to work that out myself [20:56] The way I look at it is that it's just different techniques. There are many folks who have private non-ADF-style practices who are in ADF [20:57] I would imagine so [20:57] [Owlhawk] Private practice is just that, private and your own business. [20:58] and nothing says that you can't practice non-ADF stuff publically …. just don't call it ADF [20:58] Core Order only applies to public ritual done with ADF' [20:58] It's how distracting it could become while trying to seriously commit during the DP what worries me at the moment [20:58] ADF's name on it. [20:58] I am aware of the public vs private distinctions [20:59] You feel that working a different ritual technique than you're used to would be distracting? [20:59] Let me try to rephrase that [20:59] or is it that your existing practice would be distracting while learning a new one? [20:59] It's more like what Victoria's describing, yes [21:00] let me try to approach it from a slightly different angle and see if it helps .... [21:00] Both techniques, from what I can see right now anyway, tend to build different inner landscapes, to start with [21:00] Blessed be, all. Time to go. Good night, Good day, Good Evening, and Good Bye. :) [21:01] [Owlhawk] good night mishomis. have a good week [21:01] When I'm learning a new divination system, I try not to use the ones I already know. But that knowledge, of the other systems, always feeds into my new learning. There's not much that can stop that. I don't think that it's a bad thing. [21:01] Nite mishomis! [21:01] Danke. [21:01] And considering the old motto "what you get from something depends on how much you put in it"... [21:01] [Owlhawk] bitte [21:01] night, mishomis [21:01] Auf Wiederseine. [21:02] *** mishomis (Mibbit@fc5cd7a2.bchsia.dea5ebc4.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:02] I kind of see what you mean, I've never had an issue with it myself. My inner landscape is complex enough to handle additions, I guess. [21:02] Victoria is right. I've worked runes for several years. I picked up Tarot a few years ago, and I see where the runes interact and inform a card's meaning. It's sort of my operating system. lol [21:03] Personally, I think it helps to strengthen our inner landscape when we study different techniques. [21:03] I agree [21:03] *** Chelly (chellyisme@a687a871.cpe.net.cable.f33844f1.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [21:04] [Owlhawk] hi Chelly! [21:04] Tadaa! I'm awake! [21:04] hi Chelly [21:04] Woot! Hi Chelly! [21:04] [Owlhawk] and we are shoccked at that1 [21:04] me too! [21:04] I come from a magic focused background. The runes are good for divination. They're way better for magic. Tarot, I think is the other way around. [21:04] I tend to only be awake this late at fest :) [21:05] So what was the topic I jumped in on? [21:05] I haven't started using runes for magic really … but I'm looking forward to trying more with the Order of Raven and Falcon [21:05] I'm excited about that Order as well! [21:05] Rod is very excired about that. [21:05] or excited [21:05] Assuming I keep up with the kind of meditation practices and visualizations learnt from OBOD I have been doing at the moment (which can also include breath-counting and more universal items), it would not be an issue when writing about my meditation journal for ADF? [21:05] me too! I'm looking forward to starting the SP [21:06] (need to get my CTP-Prelim done first, but hopefully that will be this year) [21:06] I so need to do all my order work. I fall behind on things at times [21:06] not at all thehouseofthot, nor would the OBOD specific ones [21:06] (assuming you can share them) [21:07] well, yeah, I guess I would have to describe what I do without mentioning it comes from OBOD as their program is 'secret' [21:07] but anyway [21:07] The DP doesn't require ADF-specific technique. [21:07] It could be recognised as 'alien' to ADF anyway [21:07] It doesn't matter the technique, it matters that you do ;) [21:08] We allow Buddhist meditation techniques, i can't believe OBOD would be more "alien" than that! [21:08] well .. here's the thing …. there's no ADF and "other" way except for doing a public ADF-Style ritual [21:08] Sure; I wondered whether having a sort of eclectic personal path would be interpreted as lack of commitment [21:08] by the average reviewer [21:09] hardly .. many of us are "sort of eclectic" :) [21:09] Most of us came from eclectic lives of study. We don't want you to disown your past. [21:09] Or even your present. [21:10] I don't doubt I will eventually figure all of this out for my personal practice as I go about it, but there were those two concerns [21:10] Perceived lack of commitment and/or actual lack of depth [21:10] I'm a chaos magician, turned sorcerer (Jason Miller style), rune magician, seidhrman, tarot pro ...oh fine, I'm eclectic. [21:10] it sounds like you'll do fine :) Your OBOD training will help in many ways [21:10] If you're doing the DP journal, then we do not doubt your commitment to that. [21:11] And our reviewers don't expect huge amounts of depth from DP students. [21:12] Have you asked for a mentor? I imagine talking to someone would help allay your fears. [21:12] I have, first thing after I joined [21:12] From what I've heard it's the fact you try and don't give up vs the exact technique. Your experience over your time can have many different ways, and different attempts to find things that work for you just as long as you keep trying [21:12] Talking to someone more than once a week, that is. >8) [21:13] Hmm, have you heard back? Someone else said they were having issues there. [21:13] Yep Rob that is what we are here for ;) [21:13] I am a perfectionist, which I have been trying to work with in order not to procrastinate things [21:13] I haven't heard back yet [21:13] but I only joined last Friday [21:13] The perfect is the enemy of the good, and I'll see if I can contact the Preceptor about speeding that up. [21:14] Ah, well maybe it's not panic time yet. >8) [21:14] Yeah, I am used to waiting a week or two at a time for a response in this kind of things [21:14] Are ADF mentors usually available for weekly follow-ups? [21:14] Someone else has waited a month, so i'll contact the Preceptor anyway. [21:14] From what your individual experiences are, anyway [21:15] *** JasonM (AndChat569@2ee4b1bb.west.biz.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [21:15] Most use e-mail or other more immediate communication techniques. [21:15] I've had multiple emails go back and forth in a day between me and my students at times :) (speaking as a mentor) [21:15] I do e-mail. [21:15] Hay All, sorry I'm late. [21:15] Hello Jason [21:15] I prefer e-mail, too. I am not as good in speaking my mind over the phone [21:15] Hi Jason [21:15] Hi Jason [21:16] That could get pricey with overseas charges, as well. [21:16] Yeah, although there's Skype. But I prefer e-mail really [21:16] Yep Chelly … some days I chat a lot with a mentee (another mentor here) .. it's great because I can chat inbetween work [21:16] Im sure some people use Facebook to talk to their mentors, or other IM programs, but I would never. [21:16] I'm asking about it because obviously people have day jobs and life happens for them too [21:17] Yea I use skype with one of mine but that person prefers the more informal and can ask me about random other things too [21:17] I wouldn't expect a five minute response time, but daily seems likely. [21:17] And my only other experience with a mentor has implied summing up the most what I'm up to for a biweekly or monthly mail [21:17] @Rob, I've offered non-email options to all my mentees, but so far they have all preferred email. It works well for me too. [21:18] I think text based communication is my preference. It's often easier to convey what you mean when you have to write things out. Opertunity to be sure you are clear. The addition of having a record is also hugely valuable. [21:18] *** Chelly (chellyisme@a687a871.cpe.net.cable.f33844f1.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] [21:19] Exactly, Jason [21:19] all true Jason [21:19] I am off, night all! [21:19] night Rob [21:19] Nite Rob [21:19] And thanks [21:19] Night rob [21:19] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@5a79652d.hsd1.mi.5aa6454b.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:20] I'm also kind of hung up on the "words have power" thing, so I like the opertunity to be extra careful. [21:21] that also makes sense [21:22] Yes... I myself tend to obsess on each word and turn of phrase, to the point of spending a couple of hours typing anything personal [21:22] I'm with you there. I'm surprised my backspace key still works. [21:23] Hehe, yep [21:24] Wish I had one for my tongue [21:25] hee hee .. now that would have been handy many times [21:27] *** Lonnie (Mibbit@d17f37b3.client.de424f33.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:27] So has anyone ever done a child naming Ritual? [21:28] [Owlhawk] I've attended a Wiccaning, but never performed one. [21:28] nop [21:29] I may be asked to preform one during a Samhain high day Ritual. Not sure how the deity of occasion would effect such a thing? [21:30] [Owlhawk] The Deity of Occasion is going to flavour the entire ritual. I would waqnt to do tthe naming as a separate Ritual. [21:31] yeah .. I'm not sure that I would mix a Samhain rite with a Wiccaning [21:31] Out of town family. It's the only opertunity. [21:31] Depends ob who the parentspatrons are [21:31] [Owlhawk] and on the ritual that you are performing. [21:31] It would be on the 30th, also the moms birthday [21:32] Only family in attendance [21:33] If it is family only then a separate ritual for it would seem the way to go [21:34] [Owlhawk] luckily you have lots of time to figure things out [21:35] Not even sure I would know where to start for such a thing [21:35] Yeah, something else to obsess over :) [21:35] [Owlhawk] I would start by checking the website and seeing if there's a ritual on it. also a good topic for the discuss email list [21:36] Thanks for the suggestion Owl [21:36] [Owlhawk] no prob lem [21:37] What are the parents' expectations? [21:37] [Owlhawk] and on that note, I'm off to bed. good night folks [21:37] Nite Owl [21:37] Night Owlhawk [21:37] You know. I'm not even sure who the Celtic deities are for children. [21:37] Night [21:37] [Owlhawk] Brigid would be a good one.... [21:38] Is there an online archive of the mailing lists? [21:38] night Owl [21:38] Yes for the forums [21:39] Thanks rovena [21:40] It's been a bit confusing so far finding the whole extant of ADF's media [21:40] For instance I ended up buying MJ Dangler's DP Through the Wheel of the Year thirty minutes before noticing it was free for all members [21:41] My fault and my lack of attention for sure [21:42] The website can be less then intuitive at times [21:43] It is constantly improving though [21:45] I apparently missed the lively conversation tonight? [21:45] I also logged in late [21:46] It had its moments [21:46] Much of it had to do with my doubts concerning being an OBOD Bard who just joined ADF; several members also gave tips on digital apps they use to take notes and do their coursework [21:47] Ah, was evernote mentioned? [21:47] Yes [21:47] Oh good. I'm an evernote Crack addict. [21:47] What about livescribe? [21:48] Wasn't mentioned, but I do have a friend who loves it [21:48] The handwriting to text of the new version is incredible. [21:48] Well 5 AM comes early so the last one out, please lock up. [21:49] Night rovena [21:49] I guess I am about to log off too [21:49] night Rovena [21:49] *** rovena (webchat@6ca5ecbd.14055b32.72.168.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: Page closed] [21:49] and night Jason [21:49] Night [21:49] *** thehouseofthot (Mibbit@8a98fed5.dsl.ccd2c5b3.pt.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:50] Doesn't pat to be late apparently [21:51] *** Lonnie (Mibbit@d17f37b3.client.de424f33.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [21:51] Hi Lonnie [21:51] All over? [21:51] I had to leave for a bit, [21:51] A few still kicking around [21:52] How are you tonight? [21:53] I'm doing ok. Full stomach, and nice cold glass of tea. I can't complain too much. [21:53] Definitely worse fates in the world [21:55] Yep. Everyone have a wonderful night. [21:55] *** Lonnie (Mibbit@d17f37b3.client.de424f33.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Client Quit] [21:56] *** JasonM (AndChat569@2ee4b1bb.west.biz.14056255.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: Bye] [22:00] ah sorry guys .. a conference call pulled me away. Hope everyone had a great night! [22:00] *** Victoria-Leona (Victoria@15c0ccd6.lightspeed.sntcca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has left #adf