*** Opened channel log for #adf at 31/03/2015 7:24:59 PM [19:24] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@cf983e33.cpe.net.cable.f33844f1.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:24] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:24] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Tue Mar 31 11:37 AM [19:24] =NickServ= Password accepted - you are now recognized. [19:24] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:27] *** Maeror (IceChat77@421b639a.abhsia.dea5ebc4.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:28] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat77@421b639a.abhsia.dea5ebc4.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:28] *** Maeror (IceChat77@421b639a.abhsia.dea5ebc4.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Read error: Connection reset by peer] [19:38] *** Alusa-ICTX (Alusa@6ca5ed3d.14055b33.108.201.imsk) has joined #adf [19:56] *** Rovena (Mibbit@14055a91.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has joined #adf [19:56] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:58] [Owlhawk] hi rovena [19:58] Hello Owlhawk [19:58] [Owlhawk] I won't be around for the chat tomorrow night. Apparently I'm in a union and we have a strike vote tomorrow night [19:59] Okay I will be here [19:59] *** thexalon (thexalon@b07a5574.neo.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:59] [Owlhawk] we get uup and down attendance for it. one week no one, next week it's busty [19:59] Wait what chat tomorrow? [19:59] [Owlhawk] advanced chat we discussed at yule [19:59] [Owlhawk] advanced studies [19:59] Okay [19:59] [Owlhawk] most weeks I have the chat open and watch tv [20:00] [Owlhawk] emailing the lists seems to get the most people out [20:00] Am I allowed since I haven't finished DP yet? cloe but no cigar [20:00] [Owlhawk] Meh. life experience counts [20:01] [Owlhawk] Hello Thexalon [20:01] Howdy! Figured I'd see what was going on in the chatting world [20:02] I heard an band last might on Facebook and they are great! Mongolian folk/metal [20:03] [Owlhawk] I'm apparently a union member now! [20:03] [Owlhawk] and, related, I won't make it to Wellsprings this year [20:04] Awww, too bad. [20:04] So sorry [20:05] [Owlhawk] yes, but I also now have a school bus drivers license and a 5 day a week job [20:05] [Owlhawk] Next year I hope to get vacation time for it [20:06] That is good [20:06] Life happens. Without it, festivals don't happen. [20:07] *** LukeLandry (Mibbit@6a8c81d5.dhcp.oxfr.ma.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:07] I always think that's worth reminding folks about when festival season gets going - it's really easy to fall into "festival is life - the rest doesn't matter", but you need everything else to pay for stuff! [20:07] [Owlhawk] yup. I've put in for the one day off I need to go to Three Rivers. Wellspring just wasn't doable with out costing myself $200 [20:07] [Owlhawk] before any expenzse [20:07] *** BonnieCyr (Mibbit@6a8c81d5.dhcp.oxfr.ma.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:08] [Owlhawk] so if I'm to enter the brewing cmop, I'll need to mail it to someone [20:09] [Owlhawk] hi Bonnie [20:09] Hi hi [20:10] don't mind me, I'm just here to stalk my boyfriend ;] [20:10] IIRC, that would be a question for Flip. [20:10] *** Dale_ (guest@da0a743d.new.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:10] (we're both idling in our grove chat as well at the moment.) [20:10] (That last one was for Jay) [20:10] Hello [20:10] Hi Dale! [20:10] Bonnie, why log in when you can just look over his shoulder? [20:11] well, that's true. [20:11] Hi Bonnie [20:11] I am sitting across the table from him ^____^ [20:11] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@37bcff35.dhcp.trlk.ca.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:11] TRENT [20:11] * BonnieCyr troutslaps Trent. [20:12] [Owlhawk] actually Dave, I'd mail it to Chelly and get her to take it. no border issues that way [20:12] Ah, good point. [20:12] hihi [20:12] sorry i have a vicious attack kitty on my lap [20:13] how is everyone? [20:13] [Owlhawk] employed! and seemingly a union member...which is an odd feeling [20:13] Doing real well - feeling inspired, even. [20:14] Loving the spring weather [20:15] :] [20:16] you spring people. so lucky :( It's still snowing here. [20:16] though I was just in Baltimore and it was okay. It snowed one afternoon but not sticky. [20:16] [Owlhawk] What is this 'spring' you speak of? [20:16] She's exaggerating. It hasn't snowed since yesterday [20:16] [Owlhawk] \This mornig [20:16] Starting to catch up on sleep, so I’m feeling better. I’m able to wake up a bit earlier and get some morning devotional time. [20:16] Spring is the 2 weeks in June that it starts prepping for your non-winter season known as "July". [20:16] [Owlhawk] ah. construction season! [20:17] hey, pipe down, Landry. [20:17] "still snowing" didn't mean STILL this second. [20:17] Simmer down Cyr [20:17] *shakes fist* [20:20] [Owlhawk] what fascinating foreplay.... [20:20] [Owlhawk] :D [20:21] o . O [20:21] [Owlhawk] ? [20:21] so has it gotten any warmer weather-wise up your way, Jay? [20:22] [Owlhawk] Mother Nature has menopause. it's the only explanation.. [20:24] [Owlhawk] I get up at stupid o'clock and it's snowing. I go to back to work at 2:30 and the snow has melted. crazy weather [20:24] hi again [20:25] heh, it's sort of always "spring" here [20:25] except when it's summer [20:25] or the rainy seasons [20:25] which is like a day or two [20:26] ...which is actually a problem since it's supposed to be more than that and now the "season" is done, and our snow pack is the lowest on record apparently [20:26] By contrast, where I am, I'm measuring more based on the percentage of ice on Lake Erie. Right now, it's at about 20%. [20:26] "climate change is fake", my ass [20:27] it was 63 degrees in parts of antarctica last week [20:27] [Owlhawk] Georgian Bay still looks frozen over when I'm driving my route [20:28] 63 degrees in Antartica…perhaps I should move there, it would have been warmer than WI. [20:28] [Owlhawk] or ontario [20:29] lol [20:30] yeah it's weird...the northeast is super cold but the rest of the country gets record warmth [20:30] We are a bit cooler than normal [20:30] [Owlhawk] in the US? My parents complained all winter how cold it was in Florida [20:31] Louisiana [20:31] hmmm [20:31] actually yeah it has been kinda cold [20:32] so scratch what i said before :-P [20:32] [Owlhawk] lol [20:34] but yeah, climate has been getting more chaotic lately [20:35] Where does it itch? [20:35] south florida wants to secede from the rest of it because the governor is being a moron [20:35] you don't wanna know :-P [20:36] [Owlhawk] from where I'm sitting, the entire USA political system, federal and state, is being a moron [20:36] well, there's levels [20:36] [Owlhawk] I'm starting to thinki should watch the news with popcorn [20:36] [Owlhawk] only insane oand so far gone they;re off the scale [20:36] Or if you live in the US, a stiff drink ;) [20:37] forbidding state officials from saying "climate change", in a state where the biggest city is starting to have flooding issues because of it, is a higher level than most [20:37] One of my tests for how dangerous an organization is, which is not on Isaac's ABCDEF, is the degree to which its belief system requires the denial of observable reality. [20:38] [Owlhawk] I like that one Thexalon [20:38] good point [20:38] The idea is that if you have to deny observable reality to belong, you have to engage in all sorts of nasty behavior to ensure your group members don't, you know, observe reality and draw obvious conclusions from that. [20:38] nice [20:39] [Owlhawk] in Issac's defence, when he came up with that scale, no one expected things to get this nuts\ [20:39] Being elected to a seat in government is akin to joining a cult….hmm [20:39] [Owlhawk] with a great pension [20:39] If you don’t drink the kool-aid [20:39] Well, running, say, Church of Scientology through the ABCDEF, you get pretty much the top of the scale. ADF very intentionally scores very low. [20:39] exactly [20:39] lol [20:40] Almost like Isaac knew what to watch out for, and carefully avoided it! [20:41] You can see that doctrine enshrined in ideas like Archdruidical Fallibility and the fact that Isaac's title post-AD was "extinguished flounder". [20:42] [Owlhawk] gee, you'd think he knew something about cults! [20:43] hah [20:43] [Owlhawk] The only time the Arch Druid is 100% correct is when he's pouring! [20:43] [Owlhawk] or do I have the wrong rule? [20:44] He's not necessarily right when he's pouring either. [20:44] lol [20:44] There is a wrong way to pour? [20:44] [Owlhawk] he is when he controls if the horn goes to you,...at least he is until you have the horn [20:45] always the point of the horn down. always. [20:46] [Owlhawk] well, there's a horn or three out there that ignore that rule [20:48] Rovena, the wrong way to poor is when whatever the drink is ends up on the ground when it was not intended as an offering. [20:48] or on you :D [20:49] BonnieCyr: That depends on whether there's somebody nearby who you'd like to lick it off of you! [20:50] lol [20:51] [Owlhawk] my wife would kill me if I wasted that much mead [20:51] [Owlhawk] \offerings she kinda understands [20:58] got quiet [20:59] [Owlhawk] 2nd period of the hockey aame... [20:59] that makes sense [20:59] I said I was inspired - I meant it. [21:00] was feeding the attack kitties [21:01] Had one of ours fixed today and she is mad at the world [21:01] awwwwww [21:04] [Owlhawk] don't blame her. If some one cut my testicles off as a kitten, I'd still be spitting mad at the world [21:06] But now she is a responsible adult. [21:06] She can roam without worry [21:06] So she still has claws? [21:06] Definitely got to have them to climb trees [21:09] that's good [21:09] our cats have their claws too [21:10] We are rural so they have to take care of themselves against lots of critters [21:12] *** ErinP (Mibbit@6ca5ed5b.6ca5f0db.64.229.imsk) has joined #adf [21:12] Hello [21:12] Anyone up? [21:13] [Owlhawk] nopr [21:13] Lol [21:13] Nobody here but us chickens! [21:13] Hi owlhawk [21:13] Sleeping [21:13] [Owlhawk] hi [21:13] Aww [21:13] We're having a memorial service for Wally Harris on the 12th. [21:14] He died on Saturday. [21:14] He was with our grove over 10 years [21:16] There have been a lot of losses lately [21:16] sorry to hear that [21:16] Nods [21:16] Ty Trent [21:17] It was very sudden. [21:17] :( [21:17] Epileptic seizure [21:19] So, if anyone could light a candle for his soul on the 12th @ 1pm EST I'm sure he'd appreciate it. I would. [21:19] Will do [21:19] Ty [21:20] *** BonnieCyr (Mibbit@6a8c81d5.dhcp.oxfr.ma.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:20] Oh! And u finally got my copy of Oak Leaves! [21:20] And *i [21:20] [Owlhawk] great! [21:20] nice :) [21:21] I like how they did my article [21:21] i apparently missed getting the most recent issue, i was unsubscribed when it was put out [21:21] Oh :( [21:21] now i'm just waiting for them to put it in the download section [21:21] Time for dinner. Have a good evening. [21:21] Enjoy your feasting! [21:21] For some reason I can't access the download section [21:21] *** Dale_ (guest@da0a743d.new.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: Dale_] [21:21] Night Dale! [21:22] night dale :) [21:22] i think you have to log into the adf site [21:22] I was? [21:22] I thought I was [21:22] it's in the Member -> Publications [21:22] section [21:23] I'll have to check it out tomorrow, I'm on my phone right now, and can't switch screens without losing my connection to the chat [21:24] [Owlhawk] try it on your computer instead of your phone\ [21:24] Right :) [21:25] *** LukeLandry (Mibbit@6a8c81d5.dhcp.oxfr.ma.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:26] So mouse got his shirt in a knot about the "statement of purpose" on the main ADF page. [21:26] He's not even a member of adf [21:27] who's mouse? [21:27] One member had a problem with the idea of a "learned clergy" [21:27] [Owlhawk] lpl [21:27] [Owlhawk] lol [21:28] Just this guy who comes to our rituals but won't join ADF [21:28] but it doesn't say that, it says "skilled priesthood" [21:28] which paganism in general desperately needs [21:28] Ya whatever [21:28] ye gods [21:28] lol [21:28] heh [21:28] Close enough [21:28] [Owlhawk] Mouse is....interesting [21:28] Lol [21:28] Umm, yes, we like our ritual leaders to know what they're doing and what they're talking about. If you want badly designed rituals performed incompetently, that's easy enough to find. [21:28] exactly [21:29] That was my thought. [21:29] I think they didn't like the idea of having clergy all together [21:29] Priesthood = clergy. [21:30] Who needs leaders? I hear that all the time [21:30] Not like they write any of the rituals anyway [21:31] Things can happen without any work or prethought [21:31] My grove tends to be a grass roots kind of grove [21:31] I mentioned 3 reasons for that on Rob Henderson's FB post about this, actually: 1. Some have been badly hurt by abusive clergy. 2. Some don't want to be put in a situation where they can be definitively demonstrably wrong. 3. Purveyors of shoddy pagan stuff hate the idea that people will realize how unnecessary their products are. [21:31] a lot of wiccans have the idea that everyone in it is basically a "priest" [21:32] Well that's what I told them. [21:32] The idea that anyone can commune with spiritual beings is perfectly true. The idea that everybody is good at it is not. [21:32] We're all priests [21:32] wicca is a great model for small, magical coven type groups, but not so much for bigger public practice [21:33] Oh, owlhawk, we got a new guy at our spring equinox ritual, and another new guy last night at Michael's place who's wanting to do the DP! [21:33] [Owlhawk] cool [21:33] One major reason I prefer groves to covens: Groves can have transfers of leadership much more easily. You want a new Senior Druid? Just elect one. You want to switch High Priestesses? Congrats, you just started a witch war. [21:33] Plus there's a new girl who wants to come out too [21:34] [Owlhawk] nice. [21:34] cool [21:34] i actually just did a little ritual here, for myself, my wife, and a friend [21:35] Nice [21:35] What for? [21:35] my wife has done wiccan things with me before, the friend is just getting stared in paganism and has only done solitary stuff so far [21:35] late Ostara :-P [21:35] Ahh ok [21:35] they both really liked it [21:35] :) cool [21:36] One of the new guy's name is Mike... Now we'll have 3 mikes.. Lol [21:38] Well, maybe you should call everyone else "Mike" to prevent things from getting confusing. [21:38] I know a Madri Gras Krewe where everyone is Sue [21:38] I was gonna suggest "Bruce" but that's just the monty Python in me. [21:39] That was precisely what I was referencing. [21:39] [Owlhawk] good night. I'll leave the chat open for the log. [21:39] Hehehe [21:39] Night owlhawk! [21:40] :) [21:41] night owlhawk [21:41] and i [21:41] i'm gonna head out too [21:41] I should get to bed. [21:41] nice chatting, as usual :) [21:41] Night trent [21:41] good night :) [21:41] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@37bcff35.dhcp.trlk.ca.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:41] Night all [21:41] ! :) [21:42] *** ErinP (Mibbit@6ca5ed5b.6ca5f0db.64.229.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:45] I need to run too, next time Thexalon [21:46] Adios. [21:46] *** Rovena (Mibbit@14055a91.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:46] *** thexalon (thexalon@b07a5574.neo.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: Leaving] [01:01] *** Server connection lost [01:01] *** Server connection lost [05:59] *** Server connection lost [06:00] *** Server connection lost [06:00] *** Server connection lost [06:01] =NickServ= This nickname is registered and protected. If it is your [06:01] =NickServ= nick, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password. 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