*** Opened channel log for #ADF at 26/08/2014 7:51:59 PM [19:51] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@cf983e33.cpe.net.cable.f33844f1.com.hmsk) has joined #ADF [19:51] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:51] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Tue Aug 26 7:25 PM [19:52] SPeak of the devil Hello Owlhawk [19:52] Hello [19:52] [Owlhawk] hello [19:53] hiya! [19:53] Cycling the channel... [19:53] *** Guest56705 (Owlhawk@cf983e33.cpe.net.cable.f33844f1.com.hmsk) has joined #ADF [19:53] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:53] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Tue Aug 26 7:25 PM *** Closed channel log for #ADF at 26/08/2014 7:53:19 PM *** Opened channel log for #ADF at 26/08/2014 7:53:34 PM [19:53] *** Owlhawk1 (Owlhawk@cf983e33.cpe.net.cable.f33844f1.com.hmsk) has joined #ADF [19:53] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:53] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Tue Aug 26 7:25 PM [19:53] 8675309? [19:54] [Owlhawk] I really hate this damn identify command. [19:54] No one gets that reference? :( [19:55] for a good time call? [19:55] Lol [19:55] [Owlhawk] on the irc server. [19:56] Yes [19:56] [Owlhawk] it's how we log in or we lose the name and need to start over [19:56] I've done irc before.. Back in the early 90s [19:57] [Owlhawk] that's the last time I used it as well [19:58] so Owlhawk, did anyone end up showing up at the study group last week? [19:59] I went for an irc meet / camping trip in Indianapolis, and at the dinner table at the restaurant we all passed notes on paper to pretend we were pm'ing each other. We were such geeks! [20:00] [Owlhawk] no by the time I left [20:00] Am I lagging? [20:00] [Owlhawk] don't think so [20:01] Study group? [20:01] On line? [20:01] Or in person? [20:01] yes, online [20:01] I wish we could all meet in person!! maybe when teleportation happens [20:01] Shoot, I should have been there! [20:02] no one but me and Owlhawk were there, and I was looking forward to the discussion on trance [20:02] ohh [20:02] That sucks [20:02] :( [20:03] [Owlhawk] we can try again. [20:03] Yes [20:04] i would like that :) [20:04] I guess I need to change my name to no one [20:04] [Owlhawk] maybe do it on one of these tuesday night ones [20:04] [Owlhawk] lol, Rovena was there as well. She's quiet so Sara Forgot [20:05] was she? sorry Rovena! [20:05] WHen I am covering the front office at work the guys will walk in and ask me if anyone is there [20:06] Well, I'll be in and out if convo tonight. I'm sick, which is why I'm at home. Red Maple Grove has their study/discussion meeting tonight. [20:07] *** Thexalon (Mibbit@de294aa3.neo.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #ADF [20:07] Hello Thexalon [20:07] Howdy, everyone. What's happening? [20:07] hi [20:07] We are! [20:08] hi! chatting about if people came to the trance discussion last week [20:08] :) [20:08] [Owlhawk] Hello Thexalon [20:08] Oh wait a srx [20:08] I swear one day I won't be as obsessive on this subject.....about the time I hit submit on trance 1 lol [20:08] [Owlhawk] then it'll be about trance 21 [20:08] [Owlhawk] 2 [20:08] Well, I missed it, but I'm familiar with enough of the basics to be able to comment semi-intelligently. [20:09] Wait a second - I was there too! [20:09] last week? or before? [20:09] Last week. [20:09] on tuesday? [20:09] I left the irc about 930 no wed [20:09] on [20:10] Cause I had some stuff to do so I didn't go to rmg meeting.. On Tues. [20:10] [Owlhawk] thiw was Wednesday [20:10] ahh, I'm talking about the wed [20:10] Oh Oops [20:10] Thexalon, how do you like to trance? [20:10] Ok [20:12] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@6e188568.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:12] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@6e188568.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has joined #ADF [20:12] *** SeanHarbaugh (Mibbit@14055a91.6ca5ed20.99.30.imsk) has joined #ADF [20:12] Hello Sean [20:12] eh....Daphne just kicked me off [20:12] I'm really tired. I'm gonna go back to sleep. When does this chat go until? [20:12] Hi Sean! :) [20:12] hello! [20:12] Hi Sean. [20:12] greetings! [20:13] [Owlhawk] hello [20:13] [Owlhawk] until there's no one left on line [20:13] It goes until the last person signs out [20:14] Ok. I'll check back later. Thanks! [20:16] brb hubby has something in his finger [20:16] Sorry for the delay - dashed outside to enjoy a gorgeous sunset over Lake Erie. [20:17] [Owlhawk] I can see part of it over Georgian Bay outside my window [20:17] For me, trance is most commonly out of quiet meditation - I was raised Quaker, so I've had a lot of practice sitting quietly with my thoughts only. [20:18] I can also get into it while walking very easily. [20:19] very cool! [20:19] A lot of the popular Dionysian methods like music and dance don't work as well for me, because I'll immediately start analyzing the rhythm rather than feeling it. [20:19] [Owlhawk] lol [20:19] Thanks for sharing that Thexalon, it's so interesting how so many people use such different methods. [20:20] I have to have some wine in me to let that version even try to happen, am a little too self conscious when it comes to free form dancing [20:21] playing musicI get in a zone, but I am just in the music, nothing else really comes through....and listening to music can go so many ways [20:22] [Owlhawk] I need assistance from wine or mead as well for those methods. [20:22] [Owlhawk] Drumming can work sometimes if I'm sitting quietly [20:22] [Owlhawk] but only with a light trance [20:23] drumming puts me to sleep usually [20:23] those nights at festival falling asleep to the drumming [20:24] [Owlhawk] if I lie down, it'll put me to sleep [20:25] that is hit or miss for me. [20:25] See, that totally doesn't work for me, because I'm thinking "bossa ... bamboula ... " etc. [20:25] depends on tired level [20:26] I'm sorry to head off so quick, but I need to feed the kids. I'll chat with you all soon. [20:26] have a good night Sean [20:26] you too. [20:26] *** SeanHarbaugh (Mibbit@14055a91.6ca5ed20.99.30.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:27] Bye Sean [20:27] One goal I've been trying for is zoning out a bit more while performing: Most of the time, I'm very much in normal space engaged in a very conscious effort to nail exactly the effects I want to. It takes many more weeks of practice to get to the point where I'm just playing without thinking about it. [20:28] [Owlhawk] it doesn't show [20:28] *** Brendan (Mibbit@137e50ff.try.463bbca1.com.hmsk) has joined #ADF [20:28] Hello Brendan [20:28] Yay! It finally let me log in. [20:28] Hi everyone! [20:28] [Owlhawk] hello [20:28] that's a tricky line though, you want to still be engaged with your music in that you are aware, so I guess it's more that you are hyperfocused on the music and the effect it creates [20:29] I admit though, I will hvae performances where I am IN the music, but couldn't tell you how it went after [20:29] Hi Brendan [20:29] Dam wicked lag spikes for me tonight :( Hi Brendan :) [20:29] He Brendan [20:29] That's "Hi". [20:30] lol [20:30] So what is the topic? [20:30] He Brendan. Me Thex. There wolf. [20:30] Where wolf? [20:30] [Owlhawk] the same thing we do every night Pinky! [20:30] we are talking trance mostly right now [20:31] Taking over the world? [20:31] *** Thexalon (Mibbit@de294aa3.neo.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:31] [Owlhawk] yup [20:31] Except for the odd "squirrel"! [20:31] *** Thexalon (Mibbit@de294aa3.neo.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #ADF [20:31] lol. i'm not very familiar with trance work. sounds interesting. :) [20:32] [Owlhawk] it is. takes practice and lots of work [20:32] are you going to be doing any of the advanced studies? [20:32] LOTS of work [20:33] [Owlhawk] it's also one of the parts of the craft that really needs a partner to be worked safely [20:33] Even by people who really really know what they're doing, like Robb. [20:33] [Owlhawk] yup. that's one of the good examples. [20:34] i completed the DP as a solitary. i am hoping to connect with SLG in Ann Arbor though now and get more used to community druidry. [20:34] Do here's a squirrel for you.. I went downstairs in my pjs looking for a drink in the garage and dad says "you going out?".. Ya... That's it.. [20:34] there are definitely a few of the advanced studies i'm interested in [20:34] My big trance issue is I don't have anyone to work with [20:34] lol. lots of people go out in their pajamas. unfortunately. lol [20:34] [Owlhawk] start training your grove Sara [20:34] Brendan, are you user 6200? Or something like that? [20:35] Yep! [20:35] Then I emailed you today. [20:35] My experience, starting to dive into the advanced studies (finally) was that I realized how easy the DP was by comparison! [20:35] I saw that! Thank you. Did you get my reply? [20:35] Yes :) [20:35] [Owlhawk] DP I found to be mostly review. [20:36] [Owlhawk] one of the things keeping me from trance 1 is I really am not a big fan of NLP and don't want to study it. [20:36] the DP for me was about 60/40. mostly review but enough new and interesting information to keep me going. [20:36] NLP? [20:36] [Owlhawk] Neuro Linguistic Programming. [20:37] Nlp? [20:37] Owlhawk, the NLP is a 150 words answer, you don't really have to study it, just know about the ethical issues [20:37] [Owlhawk] Has any one mentioned that I'm stubborn? [20:37] I'm lost.. [20:37] wait a minute? there are people in ADF who are stubborn? [20:37] [Owlhawk] one or two.... [20:37] i'm lost too ErinP [20:38] [Owlhawk] only the humans through [20:38] what? [20:38] I really need some water [20:38] [Owlhawk] NLP is a psychological technique that was popular for a while. [20:39] Or a halls to suck on... :) [20:39] [Owlhawk] I'm thinking Mead to drink....just need to convince the blonde [20:40] :) [20:40] Brb [20:40] Like with the book reviews, none of the writings for advanced studies are required to be approving. For example, one of my book reviews (that passed without comment by my reviewer) was on how JP Mallory's book was terribly organized and extremely boring. [20:40] mmmm. mead. druidry's favorite "squirrel" [20:40] [Owlhawk] lol [20:40] [Owlhawk] I have a copy of that one Thex but I haven't read it yet. [20:40] I gave a scathing review on the Mallory book [20:41] [Owlhawk] You can never have enough mead in the house. [20:41] I was pretty harsh on The Complete Idiot's Guide to Paganism and loved A History of Pagan Europe [20:42] [Owlhawk] haven't read those ones [20:42] I love History of Pagan Europe [20:42] that was my modern and indo-european selections for the dp [20:42] Idiot's guide is an idiot's guide, I find them fun [20:43] Best use of the Idiot's Guide is as a springboard for group discussions with newbies [20:43] i usually love idiot's guides. that one left me rolling my eyes until i thought i'd be stuck looking at my brain forever. [20:43] I liked the idiots guide.. Kinda fun. But stuff I already knew.. Except to the shamanism stuff [20:44] [Owlhawk] what does it say for shamanism? [20:44] My favorite read for the DP was probably Hutton. [20:44] [Owlhawk] That one was good. [20:44] i've only read bits of the Hutton [20:44] [Owlhawk] It's worthwhile for the Wiccan history. [20:45] *** ambermdoty (ambermdoty@c3e66333.om.om.6ca6b017.net.hmsk) has joined #ADF [20:45] Hello Amber [20:45] Hey Rovena [20:45] And I particularly like the opening chapter where he goes over the pre-Wiccan roots. [20:46] [Owlhawk] I liked the whole book. well worth reading. [20:46] ok, I have to go get Daphne to bed and get there myself, early day tomorrow. have a great night all! [20:46] Hi Amber! [20:46] bye! [20:47] [Owlhawk] good night sara [20:47] Night Sara [20:47] Bye Sara [20:47] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@6e188568.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:47] Bye Sara. [20:48] *** ErinP (Mibbit@be42c9aa.dsl.282eb7d8.ca.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:48] *** ErinP (Mibbit@be42c9aa.dsl.282eb7d8.ca.hmsk) has joined #ADF [20:49] Hit the wrong button again. Sorry! [20:50] Guess it's night for me too.. [20:50] G'night ppl! [20:50] [Owlhawk] good night [20:50] G'night ErinP [20:51] Night Erin [20:54] *chirp *chirp [20:55] Well, what do people want to talk about now? [20:56] I'm curious. What do you recommend as a next step after completing the DP? [20:56] [Owlhawk] What are you interested in? [20:56] Honestly it depends on what your goals are. [20:57] I am a member of the Order of the Dead. My Ancestors are a big part of my paganism. [20:57] There's not really a study program in place for that yet though. [20:57] [Owlhawk] meditation and eventually trance work would be a good thing to look at then. [20:58] [Owlhawk] what's your hearth culture? [20:58] That's another good direction to go. [20:58] Irish for the DP but feeling a pull to Saxon as well. [20:59] *** ErinP (Mibbit@be42c9aa.dsl.282eb7d8.ca.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:59] The Initiate's Program or Generalist Study Program either one are a good way to do a more in depth study of your path for sure. [20:59] [Owlhawk] do some work on that then. [21:00] I am seriously considering the CTP but I don't want to rush into it so soon after the DP. [21:01] If you feel a calling to do the Clergy work, go for it! I'm working on it right now, and it's a challenge, but it's very rewarding. [21:01] I have one of Alaric's books on Saxon Paganism that I've been meaning to finish. [21:01] The nice thing about GSP stuff is that it can apply to both CTP and other directions you can go. [21:01] [Owlhawk] look into the IP then, or meditation work. there's also the Generalist program. There is nothing that says you need to do anything more. [21:02] I have been a spiritual 'seeker' for decades now and have never felt anything that clicked as well as ADF. I really want to share it with people. [21:02] IP and GSP both have some cross over with CTP, as well as many of the guild study programs. [21:02] I love the idea of the role of clergy and think it would be a satisfying part of my life. [21:03] I'll have to look into the Study Programs and decide which direction this path will take me. [21:07] There are definitely lots of them to take! [21:10] [Owlhawk] there's the guild programs as well [21:10] the Liturgists Guild and the Seers Guild both look interesting. [21:11] *** ambermdoty (ambermdoty@c3e66333.om.om.6ca6b017.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: Leaving] [21:12] so does the Warriors Guild [21:13] Thanks for chatting everyone. I have to be up early for work so its off to bed I go! [21:13] Night Brendan [21:13] [Owlhawk] good night [21:13] *** Brendan (Mibbit@137e50ff.try.463bbca1.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:18] It was a good caht tonight [21:18] [Owlhawk] indeed [21:22] [Owlhawk] short thorough [21:22] SO many of us seem to have early days, like me. [21:22] [Owlhawk] true [21:23] I need to rush off and wash my hair before bed so I will caht with you next time. [21:23] [Owlhawk] good night [21:23] *** Rovena (rovena@6ca5ecc2.a55580.67.143.imsk) has left #ADF [21:28] Well, I guess I'm out too. 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