Session Start: Tue May 21 19:54:02 2019
Session Ident: #adf
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28[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org
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29[2019-05-21 19:54:02] * #adf created on Tue May 14 19:41:15 2019
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16[2019-05-21 19:54:12] <@Rovena> We are fairly laid back here.
18[2019-05-21 19:54:15] <Mouse> Hi Owlhawk, NathanLarge!
16[2019-05-21 19:54:21] <@Rovena> If you have a question, ask it.
21[2019-05-21 19:54:21] <@Owlhawk> hello
16[2019-05-21 19:54:25] <@Rovena> Hello Nathan
18[2019-05-21 19:54:31] <@Rovena> Hello Owlhawk
16[2019-05-21 19:54:38] <@Rovena> Go Khan!
16[2019-05-21 19:54:43] <NathanLarge> Hello!
16[2019-05-21 19:55:02] <jonathanallen> What usually happens here on tuesdays?
16[2019-05-21 19:55:37] <@Rovena> It really varies from week to wekk depending on who is here and what people have on their minds.
16[2019-05-21 19:55:42] <jonathanallen> I got to go. the back yard needs a slight spiffy clean up.
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16[2019-05-21 19:57:42] <@Rovena> Hello Shaz
16[2019-05-21 19:57:47] <@Rovena> How are you
16[2019-05-21 19:58:09] <NathanLarge> Hi Shaz!  Same one we met at Wellspring (2 back)?
16[2019-05-21 19:58:20] <Shaz> great, finally worked out the time zones again
16[2019-05-21 19:58:32] <Shaz> I think so :)
16[2019-05-21 19:58:44] <NathanLarge> Star says hello as well
16[2019-05-21 19:58:53] <Shaz> awesome, Hi Star
16[2019-05-21 19:59:10] <@Rovena> Is there a time zone I should add to the announcements?
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16[2019-05-21 20:00:04] <Shaz> I needed to look up what cities are in EST to be able to use the world clock
16[2019-05-21 20:00:14] <Treewalker> Hello
16[2019-05-21 20:00:22] <Shaz> so, 8pm in New York
16[2019-05-21 20:00:36] <@Rovena> Hello Treewalker
16[2019-05-21 20:00:38] <NathanLarge> @Rovena, Australian EST, I believe. ;)
16[2019-05-21 20:00:49] <Shaz> it is Nathan
16[2019-05-21 20:00:50] <NathanLarge> Welcome, Treewalker
16[2019-05-21 20:00:55] <@Rovena> thanks
16[2019-05-21 20:01:03] <Treewalker> Thanks!
16[2019-05-21 20:01:10] <Shaz> it's 10 am Wednesday here in Melbourne
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16[2019-05-21 20:02:21] <Star> Hi Hi :)
16[2019-05-21 20:02:24] <@Rovena> Hello Star
16[2019-05-21 20:02:27] <Shaz> Hi!!
16[2019-05-21 20:02:34] <Treewalker> Hi Star
16[2019-05-21 20:02:38] <Star> how are you all :)
16[2019-05-21 20:02:59] <Treewalker> Doing good.
16[2019-05-21 20:03:12] <Shaz> great thanks
16[2019-05-21 20:03:12] <Mouse> I'm good!  Well, except that I've just discovered a change I made recently to some software introduced a bug, which I'm now trying to chase down in between talking here. :)
16[2019-05-21 20:03:20] <Shaz> ack
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16[2019-05-21 20:03:27] <Treewalker> ouch!
16[2019-05-21 20:03:35] <NathanLarge> I'm happy to see they're considering a Discord channel/chat, but it's dangerous, considering I'll be tempted to RP at the same time.
16[2019-05-21 20:03:52] <Star> I LOVE Discord
16[2019-05-21 20:03:54] <Treewalker> hahaha yes i bet Nathan
16[2019-05-21 20:04:13] <Star> So you say nathan I can't drag you into RP to save my life at times
16[2019-05-21 20:04:18] <Mouse> Speaking a trifle selfishly, I'd be sorry to see it, because it will mean even fewer people here.
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16[2019-05-21 20:04:39] <Star> Or it might bring more here too
16[2019-05-21 20:04:43] <Shaz> I don't understand, why is that Mouse?
16[2019-05-21 20:04:52] <NathanLarge> possibly true, depending on the overlap
16[2019-05-21 20:05:11] <Mouse> Star might be right, though what I fear is that people who would otherwise come here will instead go there.
16[2019-05-21 20:05:35] <Star> at the same time Mouse discord is a 24/7 open chat
16[2019-05-21 20:05:43] <Star> while this is really only tuesday's
16[2019-05-21 20:05:52] <Mouse> Well, so is this; I've been here for almost all of the past week.
16[2019-05-21 20:05:56] <Treewalker> well the thing i like with irc is that so much is compatible with it.  does discord work without installing it?
16[2019-05-21 20:06:00] <Mouse> Just that there's usually nobody else here.
16[2019-05-21 20:06:13] <NathanLarge> The Games & Play channel on Discord is dead most of the time, but then again, only a few active members
16[2019-05-21 20:06:27] <Mouse> Treewalker, I don't know.
16[2019-05-21 20:06:36] <Treewalker> ok thanks
16[2019-05-21 20:06:50] <Mouse> IRC is an open, and relatively well-documented, protocol.  Is Discord?  (That's an honest question; I don't know the answer.)
16[2019-05-21 20:07:27] <@Rovena> There is no printed Idiot's Guide to Discord but there are several for IRC
16[2019-05-21 20:07:29] <NathanLarge> I've never checked if IRC works well on my phone
16[2019-05-21 20:07:35] <Treewalker> This may be my first time here, but i have used irc for years.  i have a great app on my phone for it, and there is the webpage options here at adf.org
16[2019-05-21 20:07:52] <Star> And before I came to ADF I never heard of IRC ever at all
16[2019-05-21 20:09:15] <Mouse> Star, you're thinking that the Discord flavour might be the gateway drug? :)
16[2019-05-21 20:09:32] <Star> It may be I can't seem to get away from it lol
16[2019-05-21 20:09:40] <@Rovena> When the GAel Kin wanted to have chats, several people said they wouldn't use IRC because it was too old school but I don't think they have shown up in the Discord chats, either.
16[2019-05-21 20:09:46] <Star> Honestly though can more then one media outlet be a bad thing if it reaches many people
16[2019-05-21 20:10:17] <@Rovena> A lot more people complain about the platforms than use them.
16[2019-05-21 20:10:28] <Treewalker> good point star
16[2019-05-21 20:11:06] <Mouse> Yes, Star...except to the extent that too much choice can mean scattered fragments instead of a cohesive community.  Which would obtain in this case?  I don't know.
16[2019-05-21 20:11:15] <Mouse> Though, well, I already said what I fear. :)
16[2019-05-21 20:11:59] <Star> I guess I'm just going by my experience as a media junkie I have facebook, IRC, and Discord all open at once oh and music in the background but I'm a multitasker
16[2019-05-21 20:12:46] <NathanLarge> Old school, hah.  I still remember early discussion groups on Telnet channels.
16[2019-05-21 20:13:11] <Star> what is Telnet...?
16[2019-05-21 20:13:35] <@Rovena> One problem is that of having enough moderators to sit in the chat rooms.
16[2019-05-21 20:14:18] <Shaz> That is a tricky problem Rovena
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16[2019-05-21 20:14:33] <Star> It is true that is a tricky problem
16[2019-05-21 20:14:35] <Mouse> Telnet is multiple things; most relevant here, it's a really REALLY rudimentary network protocol.
16[2019-05-21 20:14:36] <@Rovena> Hello Drum
16[2019-05-21 20:14:37] <Mouse> Hi Drum!
16[2019-05-21 20:14:41] <NathanLarge> Old internet protocol, before even TCP/IP or the WWW.
16[2019-05-21 20:14:41] <Star> Hi Drum
16[2019-05-21 20:14:50] <Star> oooh...
16[2019-05-21 20:14:52] <Mouse> Telnet predates TCP??
16[2019-05-21 20:15:09] <Mouse> Were the first versions built atop NCP or something?
16[2019-05-21 20:15:21] <NathanLarge> Yep, at least in my awareness of them.
16[2019-05-21 20:15:22] <Shaz> Hi Drum :)
16[2019-05-21 20:15:32] <NathanLarge> You are correct, Mouse.
16[2019-05-21 20:15:52] <Mouse> Wow.  Learn somethin' new every day.
16[2019-05-21 20:16:09] <Star> I started with Oregon trail ... lol
16[2019-05-21 20:16:18] <Star> I don't know anything about those things lol
16[2019-05-21 20:16:26] <NathanLarge> Hey Drum.  It's hopping tonight.
16[2019-05-21 20:17:31] <Drum> Hi!!!
16[2019-05-21 20:17:41] <Drum> Oh my goodness, it is!
16[2019-05-21 20:17:50] <Mouse> It is, it is indeed!
16[2019-05-21 20:18:13] <Drum> Shaz LD
16[2019-05-21 20:18:21] <Shaz> :)
16[2019-05-21 20:18:22] <Drum> Shaz :D
16[2019-05-21 20:18:30] <Shaz> hehe
16[2019-05-21 20:18:42] <Drum> Sorry, typing in the dark
16[2019-05-21 20:19:07] <@Rovena> Why are you in the dark?
16[2019-05-21 20:19:22] <Drum> Diminished light
16[2019-05-21 20:19:31] <Drum> I was anxious to join the chat!
16[2019-05-21 20:19:39] <Drum> ...turning on lights...
16[2019-05-21 20:20:05] <@Rovena> Glad it wasn't a power outage
16[2019-05-21 20:20:13] <Drum> me too!
16[2019-05-21 20:20:23] <Shaz> I was an hour late last week, was determined to work it out for this week
16[2019-05-21 20:20:45] <Drum> So good to see everyone!
16[2019-05-21 20:21:15] <Star> This is the first time I've seen this laid out this way did IRC get an update?
16[2019-05-21 20:21:40] <Drum> You must be using Kiwi instead of Mibbit
16[2019-05-21 20:21:41] <Mouse> IRC qua IRC didn't; your client may have.
16[2019-05-21 20:21:42] <NathanLarge> Drum, I think you came in at the end of the talk about a Discord chat
16[2019-05-21 20:21:45] <Shaz> not just me then Star?
16[2019-05-21 20:21:56] <Drum> oooo, what did I miss?
16[2019-05-21 20:22:08] <NathanLarge> I saw it was on the Mother Grove agenda to consider
16[2019-05-21 20:22:13] <Star> nope not just you I like the different look
16[2019-05-21 20:22:27] <Mouse> Speculation that it would decrease the population here on IRC; speculation it would increase the population here on IRC....
16[2019-05-21 20:23:11] <Drum> Yes, I brought it up here
16[2019-05-21 20:23:31] <Drum> There are membership issues with Discord, I have heard
16[2019-05-21 20:23:42] <Star> What kind?
16[2019-05-21 20:23:53] <Star> as in anyone could join vs only ADF?
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16[2019-05-21 20:24:20] <Mouse> Does Discord require some kind of membership in order to use it?
16[2019-05-21 20:24:45] <Star> you sign up and you join or create a server
16[2019-05-21 20:24:52] <Drum> Basically that we would just want members to use it]
16[2019-05-21 20:24:59] <Star> I have a server on my own in discord
16[2019-05-21 20:25:09] <Star> well it's by invite really
16[2019-05-21 20:25:24] <Drum> I see
16[2019-05-21 20:25:25] <Star> and you can set up a welcome page and block the others from anyone who is not a member
16[2019-05-21 20:25:26] <Mouse> If you have to sign up, that makes it a nonstarter for me, because that means it's closed.
16[2019-05-21 20:25:44] <Star> sign up is an email and create a password
16[2019-05-21 20:26:01] <Mouse> Whether my absence is a benefit or detriment is a question I will not address. :-)
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16[2019-05-21 20:26:16] <Drum> We are glad to have you here, Mouse
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16[2019-05-21 20:26:32] <Mouse> Thank you, Drum!
16[2019-05-21 20:26:36] <Star> I like having you here :)
16[2019-05-21 20:26:42] <Mouse> ^_^
16[2019-05-21 20:26:55] <Drum> Shaz, I am working very hard to win the lottery so I can come to one of your Druid coffees
16[2019-05-21 20:26:57] <Drum> ;)
16[2019-05-21 20:27:20] <Star> IF I win I'll share the wealth drum and we'll all go visit Shaz! :)
16[2019-05-21 20:27:25] <Shaz> Now that would be grand Drum
16[2019-05-21 20:27:30] <Drum> Perfect!
16[2019-05-21 20:27:35] <Shaz> Yay
16[2019-05-21 20:28:11] <Drum> I was explaining Australia to my Grandson the other evening
16[2019-05-21 20:28:27] <Shaz> okay, good luck
16[2019-05-21 20:28:45] <Drum> We settled on "the Moon is upside down there"
16[2019-05-21 20:28:48] <Shaz> I have never really been able to explain wombats
16[2019-05-21 20:29:14] <Shaz> now, the moon is upside down where you are :P
16[2019-05-21 20:29:21] <Drum> Yes, true!
16[2019-05-21 20:29:49] <Drum> Actually, the Moon has two faces at the same time
16[2019-05-21 20:30:00] <Shaz> indeed
16[2019-05-21 20:30:04] <Mouse> Let's compromise.  The moon is upside down midway between Drum's and Shaz's locations. :-)
16[2019-05-21 20:30:13] <Drum> lol
16[2019-05-21 20:30:14] <Shaz> thanks Mouse
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16[2019-05-21 20:30:38] <Drum> Australia has amazing marsupials!
16[2019-05-21 20:31:06] <Drum> We have opossum. They swam here from Australia 140 millions years ago
16[2019-05-21 20:31:30] <Shaz> we have been seeing a lot more black wallabies this year because of the drought. They are moving south for more food
16[2019-05-21 20:31:36] <Drum> They are Nature Spirits
16[2019-05-21 20:31:44] <Drum> really?
16[2019-05-21 20:31:49] <Drum> Drought still?
16[2019-05-21 20:32:22] <Shaz> still, not much rain over the autumn, our dam is really low
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16[2019-05-21 20:32:48] <Drum> We need to develop some rain workings
16[2019-05-21 20:32:59] <Shaz> yes, we do
16[2019-05-21 20:33:22] <Shaz> It hasn't even been that cold so far
16[2019-05-21 20:33:58] <Drum> the weather has been a challenge
16[2019-05-21 20:34:11] <Drum> here there has been some areas with way too much water
16[2019-05-21 20:34:12] <Star> is it normal to have a drought at this time of year or is it out of character?
16[2019-05-21 20:34:12] <Shaz> not just here
16[2019-05-21 20:34:58] <Shaz> it's out of character, the summer was really hot and we would normally get some rain as we come into autumn
16[2019-05-21 20:35:24] <Shaz> but drought is common here
16[2019-05-21 20:36:26] <Star> hmmm :(
16[2019-05-21 20:36:37] <Shaz> anyway....
16[2019-05-21 20:36:50] <Drum> :(
16[2019-05-21 20:37:11] <Drum> Hmmm...maybe a call for rain prayers
16[2019-05-21 20:37:34] <Mouse> But be careful; for example, we here in Ottawa, more rain is one of the last things we want.
16[2019-05-21 20:37:42] <Drum> Right
16[2019-05-21 20:38:02] <Drum> local, measured,
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16[2019-05-21 20:38:42] <@Rovena> WB Conor
16[2019-05-21 20:38:54] <Drum> WB!
16[2019-05-21 20:39:39] <Shaz> world weather does seem to be going from one extreme to another, perhaps what we needs are some prayers to address that instead
16[2019-05-21 20:40:05] <@Rovena> I like how you think, Shaz
16[2019-05-21 20:40:27] <Shaz> Thank you
16[2019-05-21 20:40:43] <Mouse> Well, the weather is a chaotic system that has been settled in more or less the same strange attractor for a very long time.  We (humanity) have been poking it and poking it and poking it, and it's finally starting to leave that attractor for portions of the phase space formerly unknown....
16[2019-05-21 20:42:18] <Drum> Maybe we can work on it together?
16[2019-05-21 20:42:41] <Shaz> we could :)
16[2019-05-21 20:42:47] <Mouse> I do seem to recall that moderation is one of the Nine Virtues.... :)
16[2019-05-21 20:42:58] <Mouse> Now if we can just get the weather to exhibit it!
16[2019-05-21 20:42:58] <Drum> yes
16[2019-05-21 20:43:26] <Drum> The weather considers itself moderate on the whole
16[2019-05-21 20:44:08] <Mouse> "A statistician is someone whose head is in an oven and whose feet are in a bucket of ice and says "On the average, I feel fine"." :-)
16[2019-05-21 20:44:18] <Drum> lol
16[2019-05-21 20:44:29] <Star> lol
16[2019-05-21 20:44:54] <Shaz> haha
16[2019-05-21 20:44:56] <Star> I'm having Unicorn Italian Ice :)
16[2019-05-21 20:45:47] <Star> Anyway :) Hey Drum I'm back on track with my DP I took a small pause because I was getting a little frazzled I'm slowly working on my mental discipline
16[2019-05-21 20:46:02] <Drum> Good!
16[2019-05-21 20:46:09] <Drum> That is one of the hard ones
16[2019-05-21 20:46:17] <Star> Sure is
16[2019-05-21 20:46:18] <Shaz> It really is
16[2019-05-21 20:46:26] <Star> I followed nathan's example
16[2019-05-21 20:47:02] <Shaz> what did Nathan do that helped?
16[2019-05-21 20:47:02] <Drum> I may come up with a series of mental discipline exercises to help out
16[2019-05-21 20:47:03] <Star> I pull three runes every sunday sit down read what they are and what they mean and then I ask my household seer what He see's and see if I get anywhere close to what he got
16[2019-05-21 20:47:04] <Star> lol
16[2019-05-21 20:47:04] <NathanLarge> As said example is off wandering, mentally.
16[2019-05-21 20:47:24] <Drum> I like it!
16[2019-05-21 20:47:53] <Drum> Anyone willing to try to some suggestions for mental discipline? The runes ones is brilliant
16[2019-05-21 20:48:11] <Star> When I read the book there are like three or four different people talking about what the rune means to them for interpretations so I go with the one that calls to me
16[2019-05-21 20:48:37] <Star> I don't know about trying but I'd love to hear the ideas?
16[2019-05-21 20:49:33] <Drum> Let me write the up formerly, but I will give you a hint here
16[2019-05-21 20:49:42] <Star> okay?
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16[2019-05-21 20:50:01] <@Rovena> Hello Warriordruid
16[2019-05-21 20:50:01] <Shaz> Hi there
16[2019-05-21 20:50:12] <Drum> Hello, Warriordruid
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16[2019-05-21 20:50:42] <Warriordruid> Hi all
16[2019-05-21 20:50:43] <Mouse> Personally, I think I just need to meditate more.  (Okay, to meditate more than very semi-occaionally.)
16[2019-05-21 20:51:50] <Drum> I think it is important to find an object of focus
16[2019-05-21 20:51:58] <NathanLarge> For a while, I was squeezing in walking meditations during breaks at work.  About 15 minutes, around the parking lot.
16[2019-05-21 20:52:34] <Shaz> That's what helped me too Nathan
16[2019-05-21 20:52:52] <Star> I can't meditate well... I mean I tried all formats I think if I remember correctly one... maybe two worked. I know ONE had me so violently frustrated and/or angry I couldn't keep doing it
16[2019-05-21 20:52:52] <Drum> I would suggest one of the Kindreds: Ancestors, Nature Spirits, and /or Shining Ones. Pick a category, pick an example, and repeat the name like a mantra, slowly and silently
16[2019-05-21 20:53:28] <Drum> Also, touching a tree is a great exercise, if you don't mind others seeing you do so
16[2019-05-21 20:53:40] <Shaz> I started with walking meditation with bells on my ankles. Helped me to focus
16[2019-05-21 20:53:50] <Drum> Sit by the tree, touch it if you like, and listen
16[2019-05-21 20:54:02] <Drum> 5 minutes at first, and longer if you can
16[2019-05-21 20:54:31] <Mouse> I started with what I now think of as the Two Powers meditation, but guided.  I find guided meditation much easier than self-guided, and even now I find empty-mind meditation borderline impossible.
16[2019-05-21 20:54:32] <Drum> even in your back garden, for those with a plenitude of trees in said garden
16[2019-05-21 20:54:52] <Shaz> :)
16[2019-05-21 20:54:55] <Drum> empty-mind IS very difficult
16[2019-05-21 20:54:57] <Shaz> I love my trees
16[2019-05-21 20:55:01] <Drum> :D
16[2019-05-21 20:55:14] <NathanLarge> There are a few trees around.  I tried to combo them with Ogham study where possible.
16[2019-05-21 20:55:20] <Drum> Listen to the wind through the leaves and branches - an amazing meditative experience
16[2019-05-21 20:55:36] <Star> I just can't sit still for it and the mantra is the one that had me so agitated I wanted to throw something
16[2019-05-21 20:55:49] <Shaz> I agree about empty mind, I see why so many new to meditation give up
16[2019-05-21 20:55:50] <Star> I do love the singing ones though
16[2019-05-21 20:56:47] <Drum> Right, I think we need to diminish the expectation of empty mind
16[2019-05-21 20:56:58] <Shaz> Please
16[2019-05-21 20:56:59] <Mouse> The very first meditation I ever did, though, was t'ai chi form practice.
16[2019-05-21 20:58:03] <Drum> Excellent
16[2019-05-21 20:58:37] <NathanLarge> One of the best things I ever learned at a summer camp was creative visualization.  I was sent to odd camps, though.
16[2019-05-21 20:58:42] <Shaz> I have to leave I'm afraid, but now I have the time zone worked out I should be able to be here more often
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16[2019-05-21 20:58:57] <NathanLarge> Aw.  Good morning, Shaz!
16[2019-05-21 20:59:10] <Shaz> Thanks Nathan :)
16[2019-05-21 20:59:17] <Drum> As do I - I have a working session to attend. Great seeing everyone!
16[2019-05-21 20:59:27] <@Rovena> Night you two
16[2019-05-21 20:59:34] <Shaz> Have a nice evening everyone
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16[2019-05-21 21:00:18] <Star> bye Shaz!
16[2019-05-21 21:00:23] <Star> oopps missed her :(
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16[2019-05-21 21:01:10] <@Rovena> WB Warriordruid
16[2019-05-21 21:01:30] <ConorWarren> I missed a lot, my dinner got here and I chowed down.
16[2019-05-21 21:01:43] <Star> eating is important though
16[2019-05-21 21:01:53] <@Rovena> Definitely, it is
16[2019-05-21 21:02:51] <Warriordruid> When i was in the service we learned the 3 breath method breath in thru the nose exhale thru the mouth in 3 seperate 4 second exhales
16[2019-05-21 21:03:00] <ConorWarren> First time eating today, my partner went on a work trip and it turns out I don't eat regularly if someone else isn't here to feed
16[2019-05-21 21:04:00] <@Rovena> My husband is the same way.
16[2019-05-21 21:04:54] <Star> Nathan's that way
16[2019-05-21 21:05:22] <NathanLarge> Not exactly, only when writing.  True that I eat more when sharing.
16[2019-05-21 21:05:44] <Star> He writes the world is lost to him
16[2019-05-21 21:05:57] <Warriordruid> What do you write Nathan?
16[2019-05-21 21:06:52] <NathanLarge> Yes? ;)
16[2019-05-21 21:07:40] <Warriordruid> What type of thing books poems songs
16[2019-05-21 21:08:02] <Warriordruid> Etc
16[2019-05-21 21:08:05] <NathanLarge> Essays, speculative fiction, poetry (mostly doggerel), mythic retellings, game books...
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16[2019-05-21 21:08:28] <NathanLarge> Only getting paid so far for adventure fantasy
16[2019-05-21 21:08:48] <Warriordruid> Oh WB Rovena
16[2019-05-21 21:08:54] <@Rovena> TY
16[2019-05-21 21:09:16] <Warriordruid> Cool man never could write
16[2019-05-21 21:09:16] <Star> And he has some writing in the oakleaves
16[2019-05-21 21:09:34] <NathanLarge> Trying to sell some self-published space opera, slow going
16[2019-05-21 21:10:22] <Warriordruid> Well bit of advice i can give you is amazon will sell anything for a price of the sale
16[2019-05-21 21:10:38] <NathanLarge> That's one of the venues, yes, Kindle Direct
16[2019-05-21 21:11:02] <Warriordruid> I sell my blades there and some of my guns minus firing pin so its legal
16[2019-05-21 21:11:39] <NathanLarge> A Grovemate keeps trying to set me up with publishers, but they never call back.  The supply for books is far higher than the demand. :(
16[2019-05-21 21:11:49] <Warriordruid> If ever you want custom blades im a master Blacksmith
16[2019-05-21 21:12:38] <Warriordruid> Well keep trying dont give up ill read em or buy em if you s
16[2019-05-21 21:13:08] <NathanLarge> Star has me set up with a personal ritual sword, but good to know.
16[2019-05-21 21:13:10] <Warriordruid> end me the link i love reading its how i learn
16[2019-05-21 21:13:32] <Warriordruid> Mos def
16[2019-05-21 21:14:29] <NathanLarge> Link sent.  Also, if you don't get Oak Leaves, I'll give a biased plug.
16[2019-05-21 21:15:16] <NathanLarge> Have to decide what to submit for future issues.  The serial story ends this season with part 4 of 4.
16[2019-05-21 21:15:16] <Warriordruid> The druid sygil is refered to alot what is it?
16[2019-05-21 21:17:44] <Warriordruid> In the dedicant path i mean not your book
16[2019-05-21 21:18:31] <NathanLarge> Was hoping someone could field that.  I'm not sure.  Several things it could mean.
16[2019-05-21 21:19:13] <ConorWarren> I thought it was the light of Awen or the sigil for the Shining Ones, Nature Spirits, and Ancestors, depending
16[2019-05-21 21:20:33] <NathanLarge> Right, first thought was the three-fold symbol Ian Corrigan designed, the three Kindred symbolized
16[2019-05-21 21:20:59] <ConorWarren> Yeah, those are the two circumstances I've seen in the time I've been with ADF
16[2019-05-21 21:21:43] <Warriordruid> Ok
16[2019-05-21 21:22:02] <NathanLarge> Or the circle-with-two-lines, the one that's drawn as a 'gate' symbol
16[2019-05-21 21:22:54] <NathanLarge> Shows up a few places, particularly I'm finding cited by Isaac Bonewits
16[2019-05-21 21:22:59] <ConorWarren> That one I've seen a lot less
16[2019-05-21 21:23:23] <NathanLarge> Various interpretations: wreath and two staves, fire and well, doors to a barrow...
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16[2019-05-21 21:24:00] <@Rovena> Hello Thexalon
16[2019-05-21 21:24:00] <NathanLarge> Hey, let's ask Thexalon.
16[2019-05-21 21:24:01] <Mouse> For what it may be worth, "druid sigil" does not bring any specific thing to mind for me.
16[2019-05-21 21:24:09] <Thexalon> Hello everyone! What am I being asked?
16[2019-05-21 21:24:14] <Star> Hi Thexalon!
16[2019-05-21 21:24:21] <@Rovena> The lottery winning numbers
16[2019-05-21 21:24:26] <Star> lol
16[2019-05-21 21:24:39] <NathanLarge> All the things.  Current question is what is meant by "the druid sigil", esp. in the Dedicant literature.  We have three guesses so far.
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16[2019-05-21 21:24:51] <Mouse> ...we need another six.
16[2019-05-21 21:24:52] <Mouse> :)
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16[2019-05-21 21:25:01] <NathanLarge> :nodnod:
16[2019-05-21 21:25:25] <ConorWarren> GOD IS DEAD, BURN DOWN THE GRANARIES THE CONNECTIONS ARE FALLING
16[2019-05-21 21:25:28] <Thexalon> Where in the Dedicant book? I have 2 guesses.
16[2019-05-21 21:26:27] <Thexalon> Oh, I see the reference. Almost definitely this: https://www.adf.org/system/files/public/articles/working/sigils/world_tree.png
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16[2019-05-21 21:27:38] <ConorWarren> Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of
16[2019-05-21 21:28:17] <Thexalon> The other contender would be the circle with 2 lines down the middle, but since it's mentioned in the context of a triple symbol, that one makes sense.
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16[2019-05-21 21:28:39] <ConorWarren> Which part of it in the DP is it even?
16[2019-05-21 21:29:04] <ConorWarren> Gods above, I need to finish the DP so I can start the CTP and get my endorsement stuff started.
16[2019-05-21 21:29:51] <Thexalon> Describing an appropriate talisman / token for taking your oath, chapter 13.
16[2019-05-21 21:30:13] <Star> I've been trying to finish the DP for two years +
16[2019-05-21 21:30:27] <NathanLarge> That was 2 of the 3 guesses, the other was the Awen.
16[2019-05-21 21:30:27] <ConorWarren> I've been trying since. . .2012. . .since I was 19 x3
16[2019-05-21 21:30:53] <Thexalon> No worries - it took me about 5 years after joining the org, which was a year after I started attending Stone Creed rites.
16[2019-05-21 21:31:10] <Star> my focus is not very good
16[2019-05-21 21:31:11] <Star> heh
16[2019-05-21 21:31:28] <ConorWarren> It might bite me in the butt since I'm trying to do a CPE program and get BCCI certification
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16[2019-05-21 21:36:08] <Thexalon> The other questions I can answer are Wellspring-related, if there are any of those floating around.
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16[2019-05-21 21:37:52] <Star> I gotta work all weekend :(
16[2019-05-21 21:38:13] <Star> we were gonna try to come up saturday but no go :(
16[2019-05-21 21:40:22] <Thexalon> @Star That's no fun.
16[2019-05-21 21:41:17] <@Rovena> The wind is picking up here so I will say good night. 
16[2019-05-21 21:41:29] <@Rovena> See y'all next time.
16[2019-05-21 21:41:49] <NathanLarge> Night!  Be safe.  No Tornadoes.
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16[2019-05-21 21:42:20] <ConorWarren> HUZZAH, I HAVE ACQUIRED BEER
16[2019-05-21 21:45:53] <Star> The whole job has turned into anxiety
16[2019-05-21 21:46:06] <ConorWarren> Oh no! What do you do?
16[2019-05-21 21:47:14] <Star> It's a supervisor that is making my life a living hell the job is good otherwise
16[2019-05-21 21:47:17] <Star> at least till I finish school
16[2019-05-21 21:48:32] <Thexalon> I've encountered supervisors like that. They're usually angling to convince you to leave for reasons that aren't legitimate.
16[2019-05-21 21:48:57] <ConorWarren> Yeah, it is like some of the shittier boyfriends I had
16[2019-05-21 21:49:28] <ConorWarren> They are assholes to you because they don't have the guts to break up so they are mean to you till you choose to break up with them
16[2019-05-21 21:49:56] <Star> yes well she is the one that controls whether I get insurance or not by the fact that if she doesn't approve my position there I can't have it
16[2019-05-21 21:50:02] <Star> it's a bloody mess
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16[2019-05-21 21:52:12] <ConorWarren> What sort of centering and spiritual practices are you using to cope with these trying times?
16[2019-05-21 21:52:48] <NathanLarge> Asking Star or all of us?
16[2019-05-21 21:52:49] <Star> ....
16[2019-05-21 21:53:43] <Star> everyone at work thinks I'm using Om or my humming are my coping but really nothing I just focus on my work
16[2019-05-21 21:53:49] <ConorWarren> Star specifically but if anyone wants to chime in
16[2019-05-21 21:54:47] <Star> at this moment crying after work mostly
16[2019-05-21 21:55:04] <NathanLarge> That's my big one, keep my focus tight and watch for moveable targets within reach.
16[2019-05-21 21:55:31] <ConorWarren> Star, that sounds like a really heavy burden to lug around
16[2019-05-21 21:55:46] <ConorWarren> Are there things that we, your community, could do to help lift that burden a bit?
16[2019-05-21 21:55:50] <NathanLarge> Occasionally, try to put everything into perspective.  The Ancestors help there: "You think it's worse for you now?"
16[2019-05-21 21:56:41] <Star> I have no idea to be very honest, my manager is a push over and lets this supervisor walk all over him
16[2019-05-21 21:56:41] <Star> he wont stand up to her
16[2019-05-21 21:57:11] <ConorWarren> It sounds like you feel very isolated and unprotected at work
16[2019-05-21 21:57:41] <Star> could say that though everyone is really nice to me about it except for this supervisor
16[2019-05-21 21:58:08] <ConorWarren> Does people being nice to you make you feel supported and protected?
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16[2019-05-21 21:59:07] <Star> no
16[2019-05-21 21:59:19] <Star> do you want to hear what happened it's a bit long but I can tell ya
16[2019-05-21 21:59:33] <Thexalon> One spiritual practice I definitely use in trying times: Divination. Knowing that your spiritual guidance is telling you to either make a change or stay the course can help a lot.
16[2019-05-21 21:59:37] <ConorWarren> So in this situation would it be fair to say that pleasantries aren't really helping?
16[2019-05-21 21:59:50] <ConorWarren> Sure, I'd be happy to hear it if everyone else is.
16[2019-05-21 22:00:01] <Star> ever sunday I pull runes every sunday it's about this woman
16[2019-05-21 22:00:44] <ConorWarren> Thexalon, that's what I did. I was wildly uncertain about a certain decision, did divination and up pops the world card. Which was scary, but also reassuring.
16[2019-05-21 22:01:29] <ConorWarren> Sometimes though, I think we need support from our embodied people communities in addition to our ones on the other side. And Star, I'm hearing that would probably be helpful to you right now
16[2019-05-21 22:01:29] <Star> the runes just keep telling me be careful about her
16[2019-05-21 22:01:59] <Thexalon> That seems pretty clear for now.
16[2019-05-21 22:02:16] <Thexalon> Unfortunately, I am going to have to duck off now. I've got to get sleep - guests start arriving tomorrow.
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16[2019-05-21 22:02:33] <ConorWarren> Good luck,
16[2019-05-21 22:03:23] <Star> Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for Marvin I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to paitents, she waved it off t
16[2019-05-21 22:03:23] <Star> hen went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell Rob that (Rob is the manager)
16[2019-05-21 22:03:23] <Star> Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for Marvin I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to paitents, she waved it off t
16[2019-05-21 22:03:23] <Star> hen went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell Rob that (Rob is the manager)
16[2019-05-21 22:03:23] <Star> Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for Marvin I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to paitents, she waved it off t
16[2019-05-21 22:03:23] <Star> hen went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell Rob that (Rob is the manager)
16[2019-05-21 22:03:23] <Star> Well this has been going on since two weeks before Easter, my supervisor decided it was best to tell me how my performance has been during lunch in front of people. She started with you got to keep up in dish during lunch you can't leave it for the other guy, I told her I have stop what I'm doing a lot to take up spare trays to patients,
16[2019-05-21 22:03:30] <Star> um wow
16[2019-05-21 22:03:35] <Star> I only wrote once...
16[2019-05-21 22:03:44] <Star> sorry
16[2019-05-21 22:03:50] <ConorWarren> The perils of IRC
16[2019-05-21 22:04:03] <ConorWarren> No need to say sorry, not your fault yeah?
16[2019-05-21 22:04:19] <Star> she waved it off then went on to tell me that i needed to stop refilling the drinks in the cooler, I interupted her and told her she needed to tell my manager that
16[2019-05-21 22:04:38] <Star> She got pissy at that point and told me Esmarelda can do that and kept saying it getting louder each time till Esmeralda looked up two tables away and asked her why she kept saying her name then she got insulting saying you need to stop standing around at cart 5; I never do so I say so she gets pissy says I don't wanna hearit stop talking  I can't 
16[2019-05-21 22:04:38] <Star> just stop
16[2019-05-21 22:05:01] <Star> At this point everyone can hear her
16[2019-05-21 22:05:01] <Star> I leave my lunch untouched because I'm to sick to eat any more and went back to work 10 minutes into my lunch
16[2019-05-21 22:05:01] <Star> the next day she won't talk to me is being a passive aggressive bitch, saying things like well at least I didn't get glass in the food (You remember that situation broke me up inside and she went that low)
16[2019-05-21 22:05:01] <Star> She's pissed off I have no idea why but anytime I ask her a question about work related things she's hollering "Ask rob I don't know anything go ask the manager I can't help you"
16[2019-05-21 22:05:01] <Star> this goes on for a WEEK
16[2019-05-21 22:06:53] <Star> I had an issue with my sanitizer tub not reading the right alkaline reading I went to my manager first and he was in a meeting so I went to her she does this again after a week of it over and over and over again I finally snapped told her stop acting like a fucking bitch and do your job you are a supervisor and I'm trying to do my job. She starts s
16[2019-05-21 22:06:53] <Star> creaming back at me saying you're lying and telling people that I denied you a lunch (never once said that I said she made me too sick to finish my lunch) and it is a screaming match between us I told her to stop being a fucking bitch once more and walked away just as my manager was coming over
16[2019-05-21 22:07:10] <Star> After easter I tried to make amends and told her that I hoped she had a good easter she screamed at me "Don't be nice to me I have no reason to have you be nice to me"
16[2019-05-21 22:07:10] <Star> Then Rob had a mediation with us and the HR director and him
16[2019-05-21 22:07:10] <Star> she refused to come to it cried and screamed throwing a fucking temper tantrum
16[2019-05-21 22:07:10] <Star> then when they finally got in the office she shifted gears asking why I was allowed to steal someone elses shift and it isn't fair that seniority should prevail and on and on when I finally got the chance to talk she interrupted me played dumb and at the end of the mediation threw her badge at Rob and said she quit
16[2019-05-21 22:07:11] <Star> They ran after her and begged her to stay
16[2019-05-21 22:07:11] <Star> this is still going on a Month after I have even apologized and she told me It should have been addressed two days after it happened and stormed away
16[2019-05-21 22:07:35] <Star> Yesterday I was in my area and not talking to her except when I need to and she comes back to my area and sees a co-worker starts talking to her and says "I miss you I wish you'd work with me again, I would rather work with Anyone else
16[2019-05-21 22:07:35] <Star> it just doesn't stop
16[2019-05-21 22:08:01] <Star> and then today I found out I can't get a part time 30 which would get me insurance because she is a deciding factor in it
16[2019-05-21 22:15:36] <Star> and with that I have killed the room ... sorry
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