Session Start: Tue May 14 19:46:21 2019
Session Ident: #adf
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28[2019-05-14 19:46:26] * Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org
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29[2019-05-14 19:46:27] * #adf created on Tue May 14 19:41:15 2019
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16[2019-05-14 19:58:43] <@Rovena> Hello StarQuake
16[2019-05-14 19:58:43] <StarQuake> Hello Rovena
16[2019-05-14 19:58:58] <StarQuake> How is life?
16[2019-05-14 19:59:02] <@Rovena> How are you tonight?
16[2019-05-14 19:59:17] <StarQuake> Good
16[2019-05-14 19:59:43] <@Rovena> No rain for two days. None expected until Saturday evening. Loving it.
16[2019-05-14 20:00:22] <@Rovena> Grove will get to do some work in the grove at the church on Saturday afternoon
16[2019-05-14 20:01:02] <StarQuake> That is good, rain is always a good thing.
16[2019-05-14 20:01:18] <StarQuake> Not an extreme amount but it helps cool things down a lot
16[2019-05-14 20:01:46] <@Rovena> True. But we need it more spread out through the summer. I hate burn bans
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16[2019-05-14 20:02:34] <@Rovena> Hello Nathan
16[2019-05-14 20:02:39] <@Rovena> How are you tonight?
16[2019-05-14 20:02:56] <NathanLarge> Hello!  Coming in at the beginning instead of halfway through as usual.
16[2019-05-14 20:03:28] <@Rovena> We don't care when you show up so long as we get to talk to you
16[2019-05-14 20:03:51] <NathanLarge> I'm pretty good, on a rest break between projects before I start pushing again.
16[2019-05-14 20:04:47] <@Rovena> Understand that. 
16[2019-05-14 20:08:09] <@Rovena> I am helping the local U U church go thru their backlog of paper files. 
16[2019-05-14 20:08:48] <@Rovena> I have permission to reduce copies to 1 - 3 copies depending on what it is and the condition.
16[2019-05-14 20:09:12] <NathanLarge> No fun, but necessary.  Not going to scan them to digital, then?
16[2019-05-14 20:09:16] <@Rovena> I haven't been told about purging the financial stuff which goes back to 1989
16[2019-05-14 20:10:07] <@Rovena> I am hoping to get to scan them but the Board hasn't decided yet. 
16[2019-05-14 20:11:09] <@Rovena> Paper records in this huimidity is a molod waiting to happen.
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16[2019-05-14 20:16:16] <@Rovena> WB
16[2019-05-14 20:16:19] <StarQuake> Ty
16[2019-05-14 20:16:41] <@Rovena> Sad about Doris Day and Tim Conway. 
16[2019-05-14 20:18:31] <NathanLarge> Mourning them and a Chinese buffet restaurant today.  The restaurant was decent and a short walk from our home.  Burned out completely.
16[2019-05-14 20:19:50] <@Rovena> Oh, no! A good Chinese buffet is hard to find. 
16[2019-05-14 20:19:59] <@Rovena> Hope no one was injuried in the fire.
16[2019-05-14 20:22:21] <@Rovena> I have to get busy tomorrow writing my next article for the regional newsletter.
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16[2019-05-14 20:23:21] <@Rovena> Hello Conor
16[2019-05-14 20:23:26] <@Rovena> How are you tonight?
16[2019-05-14 20:23:29] <ConorWarren> Howdy!
16[2019-05-14 20:23:48] <ConorWarren> I just finished up writing a 1,000 word post for a seminary class, so I needed a bit of a break
16[2019-05-14 20:24:18] <ConorWarren> And then I saw that this was tonight so I figured I'd pop in!
16[2019-05-14 20:25:06] <@Rovena> Glad to have you. I can imagine that you would need a break after a 1,000 words.
16[2019-05-14 20:25:48] <ConorWarren> I still have to generate a transcript of a nearly two hour care conversation too, but that's Friday Conor's problem :D
16[2019-05-14 20:26:01] <ConorWarren> How're y'all?
16[2019-05-14 20:26:54] <@Rovena> Enjoying the nice weather before the rains return on Saturday night
16[2019-05-14 20:27:34] <NathanLarge> no, no injuries, thank goodness.  We know some of the business owners in the same plaza.  Only smoke damage for most of them.
16[2019-05-14 20:27:55] <NathanLarge> Good evening, Conor
16[2019-05-14 20:29:49] <ConorWarren> Evening, Nathan
16[2019-05-14 20:30:56] <@Rovena> I hate building fires. I once turned down a great apartment because while touring it I saw flames in the hallway. 6 months later it did burn. I don't see things very often but I never ignore them.
21[2019-05-14 20:32:04] <@Owlhawk> the Sight is never an enjoyable afflication
16[2019-05-14 20:33:10] <NathanLarge> I'm with you.  I've been in my home when a fire started.  It laughed at me and told me to leave before it finished eating.
16[2019-05-14 20:37:00] <ConorWarren> Hope I never have that happen! The house we were renting before we bought the one we are in I thought for a very long time was haunted (for reasons) and come to find out the owner had died in it of cancer about a year and a half before we moved in.
16[2019-05-14 20:39:45] <@Rovena> That can happen.
16[2019-05-14 20:40:38] <@Rovena> The local U U church is very haunted. Everybody hears things there. Always when you are alone in the building. 
21[2019-05-14 20:41:11] <@Owlhawk> There are cleansing and blessing rites intended for cleansing homes....
16[2019-05-14 20:41:53] <@Rovena> The ones at the church are friendly enough so we let them be.
16[2019-05-14 20:42:01] <ConorWarren> Eh, she was there first, I figured. And we were mostly just inconvenienced but not harmed
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16[2019-05-14 20:47:16] <@Rovena> Seems you have my usual bouncing problem tongiht, StarQuake
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16[2019-05-14 20:48:02] <@Rovena> WB
16[2019-05-14 20:50:56] <StarQuake> Ty
16[2019-05-14 20:56:19] <@Rovena> So, is there anything on people's mind to talk about?
16[2019-05-14 20:57:32] <ConorWarren> Today I've been thinking about the dangers of over anthropomorphizing our deities and the likelihood of relative omnipresence of many spiritual entities
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16[2019-05-14 20:59:15] <@Rovena> Interesting and quite possible.
21[2019-05-14 20:59:48] <@Owlhawk> also extremely easy to over think and get carried away with
16[2019-05-14 21:00:07] <ConorWarren> I think relative omnipresence is really quite likely. If Zeus is in the rain, he is in all rain, yeah?
16[2019-05-14 21:00:08] <@Rovena> Very true. 
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16[2019-05-14 21:00:38] <ConorWarren> Well, I'd rather overthink it than the opposite.
16[2019-05-14 21:00:55] <@Rovena> Maybe not.
16[2019-05-14 21:01:02] <StarQuake> Sorry about that, trying to modify IRC client settings
16[2019-05-14 21:01:33] <@Rovena> The rain here in my area will have a different chemical makeup than the rain in Moscow
16[2019-05-14 21:01:47] <@Rovena> No Problem, StarQuake.
16[2019-05-14 21:01:48] <ConorWarren> Plus, if there isn't relative omnipresence it would imply that two groups of worshipers conducting simultaneous rites have to compete for the presence of the deity. Then that turns into a whole problematic thing
16[2019-05-14 21:02:29] <ConorWarren> I mean, that's true, but to what degree does the particularities of an element matter in regards to divine expression?
21[2019-05-14 21:02:30] <@Owlhawk> you're assuming Zeus needs to be in the rain to be present. I would look at that as a major error and underestimating the power of a God, let alone the King of the Gods
21[2019-05-14 21:02:53] <@Owlhawk> I would think the element matters not at all
16[2019-05-14 21:03:16] <ConorWarren> Zeus is the rain, the rain is Zeus. I believe the holy suffuses the entirety of our existence
16[2019-05-14 21:03:29] <@Rovena> Isn't that part of the reason for ReCreating the Cosmo - so that all times are now and all places are here. 
21[2019-05-14 21:03:31] <@Owlhawk> No. Zeus is not the Rain
21[2019-05-14 21:04:03] <@Owlhawk> Zeus is King of the Gods, God of Lightening, Storms, Justice, etc
21[2019-05-14 21:04:34] <@Owlhawk> He is not the rain. He controls the storm that creates the rain. Totally different idea.
16[2019-05-14 21:04:36] <ConorWarren> You are pointing towards some of the problems I see with over anthropomorphization of the divine
16[2019-05-14 21:05:03] <ConorWarren> But I'm not really talking about Zeus here, I'm talking about presence
16[2019-05-14 21:05:27] <ConorWarren> Vesta is the hearth flame and the hearth flame is Vesta is another example one could use
21[2019-05-14 21:05:33] <@Owlhawk> yuou used Zeus as  your example
16[2019-05-14 21:06:14] <ConorWarren> Yes, I did. But I'm not really talking about Zeus specifically, I'm talking about the concept of presence and using Zeus to illustrate the point.
21[2019-05-14 21:06:56] <@Owlhawk> Over analyizing the Gods and how they fit into our modern reality, and then saying it's antropomorphization, says to me that the person making the arguement does not want the Gods present in their life.
21[2019-05-14 21:07:16] <@Owlhawk> And I used Zeus to disprove your point
16[2019-05-14 21:07:26] <ConorWarren> That's a really flimsy line of logic.
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16[2019-05-14 21:08:03] <StarQuake> Hold on need to adjust settings again
21[2019-05-14 21:08:12] <@Owlhawk> and that statement means nothing
16[2019-05-14 21:08:47] <ConorWarren> And what I'm arguing is directly contrary to the idea that the gods are not present in one's life. I'm saying they are ever present.
21[2019-05-14 21:09:14] <@Owlhawk> go and read my statements again
16[2019-05-14 21:09:21] <ConorWarren> Nah fam, I'm good
21[2019-05-14 21:09:35] <@Owlhawk> I never denied that the Gods are present in our Lives. I KNOW that they are
16[2019-05-14 21:10:01] <StarQuake> Ok I think that should help with the dc’ing
21[2019-05-14 21:10:14] <@Owlhawk> What did you change?
16[2019-05-14 21:10:56] <StarQuake> I changed the time stamp to 24 hour format and when I did it dc’ed me
16[2019-05-14 21:11:03] <@Rovena> Yes, what did you change? I may need to know in the future
16[2019-05-14 21:11:03] <StarQuake> It’s probably a bug
16[2019-05-14 21:11:32] <StarQuake> The client is buggy so I’m not surprised.
16[2019-05-14 21:13:01] <ConorWarren> Yeah, my partner makes fun of us for using IRC, lol
16[2019-05-14 21:13:24] <ConorWarren> He's all about discord
16[2019-05-14 21:14:01] <@Rovena> Both are good platforms.
16[2019-05-14 21:14:43] <@Rovena> I don't know how to log the Discord texts without doing the cut/paste routine
16[2019-05-14 21:14:53] <ConorWarren> I use discord almost exclusively for gaming.
16[2019-05-14 21:15:02] <@Rovena> Haven't found an Idiot's Guide to Discord 
16[2019-05-14 21:15:21] <ConorWarren> Yeah, that's the problem right? It makes it way harder to make publicly available logs with discord
16[2019-05-14 21:15:22] <NathanLarge> Isn't that the Principia Discordia?
16[2019-05-14 21:15:40] <@Rovena> The Gael Kin has a chat on it.
16[2019-05-14 21:15:44] <ConorWarren> *groans from the audience*
16[2019-05-14 21:15:59] <@Rovena> I like that if something is posted when I am not present I can still see it when I log in
16[2019-05-14 21:16:30] <ConorWarren> Yeah, it makes it hard to just pop into the conversation on here
16[2019-05-14 21:17:40] <@Rovena> Every platform has its strengths and weaknesses
16[2019-05-14 21:18:12] <ConorWarren> Not platform 9 3/4
16[2019-05-14 21:18:46] <@Rovena> Ah but it was sealed once 
16[2019-05-14 21:19:15] <ConorWarren> Damn!
16[2019-05-14 21:20:09] <StarQuake> I’m ok with whatever platform everyone wants to use.  IRC isn’t perfect but at least it works
16[2019-05-14 21:20:41] <ConorWarren> Do you know if any of the other kins have dedicated channels on discord?
16[2019-05-14 21:20:45] <StarQuake> However I haven’t used Discord or Zoom so if everyone decides its easier, it may be something to consider
16[2019-05-14 21:21:08] <ConorWarren> My seminary uses Zoom all the time
16[2019-05-14 21:21:16] <@Rovena> No, Conor, I don't know.
16[2019-05-14 21:21:54] <@Rovena> I can't do much with Zoom as I don't have reliable enough connectivity to do audio and video
16[2019-05-14 21:22:23] <ConorWarren> And it has that 30 minute time limit unless you wanna pay
16[2019-05-14 21:22:46] <StarQuake> I don’t know who’s running a bot on this channel to keep Ops so if Zoom or Discord can make it easier for Ops that is also something to consider
16[2019-05-14 21:23:11] <@Rovena> I know that the Mother Grove is exploring Zoom licenses for town hall meetings and classes
16[2019-05-14 21:23:30] <ConorWarren> ooo, that'd be neat!
16[2019-05-14 21:24:14] <StarQuake> Well I have to go, it’s late night
16[2019-05-14 21:24:18] <@Rovena> Yes but I will have to go somewhere (like library or the U U Church) to be able to get in on it.
16[2019-05-14 21:24:23] <StarQuake> Ttyl
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16[2019-05-14 21:24:28] <ConorWarren> TTYL
16[2019-05-14 21:24:51] <ConorWarren> Who is your ISP?
16[2019-05-14 21:25:40] <@Rovena> Hughes.net
16[2019-05-14 21:25:59] <@Rovena> I am a bit rural here so options are limited
16[2019-05-14 21:26:16] <ConorWarren> Ah, satellite! Yeah, I'm familiar with rural woes
16[2019-05-14 21:26:45] <ConorWarren> I was in a lot of furry chats as a teenager and recall the frustrations well
16[2019-05-14 21:27:33] <@Rovena> Love it out here except for the internet. 
16[2019-05-14 21:29:27] <@Rovena> On the plus side, I have deer, raccoons, oppussum, skunks, and the occasional panther
16[2019-05-14 21:30:15] <@Rovena> Never seem a gator out here yet.
21[2019-05-14 21:31:08] <@Owlhawk> ok, Mom finally hung up, so I'm back
16[2019-05-14 21:31:50] <@Rovena> Been there. Wish I could again.
21[2019-05-14 21:32:12] <@Owlhawk> This reminds me, I need to email the logs for his chat to the adf webmaster!
21[2019-05-14 21:33:00] <@Owlhawk>  Yeah, I don't know what I would do if I couldn't talk to my parents. I am extremely lucky in the choice that led to them
21[2019-05-14 21:33:50] <@Owlhawk> Rovena, did you see the latest pics of Khan?
16[2019-05-14 21:34:31] <@Rovena> Yes! He is such a cutey. 
16[2019-05-14 21:35:10] <@Rovena> You can really tell why he is called a bengal
21[2019-05-14 21:35:54] <@Owlhawk> http://www.vetstreet.com/cats/bengal
21[2019-05-14 21:36:07] <@Owlhawk> https://cattime.com/cat-breeds/bengal-cats
21[2019-05-14 21:36:21] <@Owlhawk> https://www.petmd.com/cat/breeds/c_ct_bengal
21[2019-05-14 21:36:54] <@Owlhawk> that will answer your question much better then I can. Basically his breed is Bengal. They are stupid expensive
16[2019-05-14 21:37:55] <@Rovena> Understand that. My cats are all strays that found us or were born here.
16[2019-05-14 21:38:20] <@Rovena> We are almost out of our tailless cats. Just 2 left
21[2019-05-14 21:39:38] <@Owlhawk> My Aunt had a few Bengals over the years and Blondie loved them, and wanted one, so when the opportunity arose to get one for free, I took it so she would have the kitty she wanted, oh and he's double a normal cats size.
16[2019-05-14 21:40:13] <@Rovena> Twice as much to love
21[2019-05-14 21:40:59] <@Owlhawk> in a few more weeks I'm going to start walking him. He showed up with a harness and leash
16[2019-05-14 21:41:19] <@Rovena> How cool!
16[2019-05-14 21:41:50] <@Rovena> When hubby takes Sammy for a walk, there is always 2 to 4 cats following them around the property.
21[2019-05-14 21:41:57] <@Owlhawk> I'm waiting until he's comfortable in our home and around us. I figure by the middle of june he should be ok
21[2019-05-14 21:41:59] <@Owlhawk> lol
16[2019-05-14 21:42:53] <@Rovena> Yes, not something to rush. 
21[2019-05-14 21:43:18] <@Owlhawk> definitely
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16[2019-05-14 21:43:58] <@Rovena> Hello Mouse
16[2019-05-14 21:44:08] <Mouse> Hello!
16[2019-05-14 21:44:12] <Mouse> How goes?
16[2019-05-14 21:45:12] <@Rovena> Enjoying the beautiful weather. All the windows are open in the house.
16[2019-05-14 21:45:26] <Mouse> ^_^  We are having good weather too, at least comparatively!
16[2019-05-14 21:46:18] <@Rovena> We may hit 90 this week which I don't want to see. Not this early.
21[2019-05-14 21:46:45] <@Owlhawk> wow, we only hit 15C today...
16[2019-05-14 21:48:09] <@Rovena> That is about our low temps at night here.
21[2019-05-14 21:48:34] <@Owlhawk> Wow, we're still getting frost
16[2019-05-14 21:49:29] <@Rovena> When we were having all the rain, we got some lovely foggy mornings
16[2019-05-14 21:52:19] <NathanLarge> having to duck out myself.  Good night, all
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16[2019-05-14 21:53:09] <@Rovena> I am going to follow suit and get some shut eye. Talk to y'all nect time. 
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