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Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:14] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [19:14] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:22] *** Jol (Mibbit@sorcery-20jg30.at.cox.net) has joined #adf [19:45] *** dedPixie (Mibbit@sorcery-0l2g14.al.charter.com) has joined #adf [19:49] *** CelticSadie (Mibbit@sorcery-u1h.cqu.151.184.IP) has joined #adf [19:52] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:52] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:53] *** dedPixie (Mibbit@sorcery-0l2g14.al.charter.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [19:53] *** dedPixie (Mibbit@sorcery-0l2g14.al.charter.com) has joined #adf [19:54] Welcome back dedPixie [19:54] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:58] Hey! I thought I was lost for a moment. [19:58] People get dropped often. [19:58] Trying this for first time... [19:59] *** Aesa (Mibbit@sorcery-gou1n0.va.comcast.net) has joined #adf [19:59] You are doing fine [19:59] Yay, it works! :D [19:59] Hello Aesa [19:59] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@sorcery-1ln.bcg.91.72.IP) has joined #adf [19:59] Hello Sara [20:00] Hi there! trying to get to the SE chat tonight [20:00] /join ‪#‎ADFRegionalDruids‬ [20:00] hope you are all well! [20:00] Yes, u? [20:00] [Owlhawk] type /join #ADFRegionalDruids [20:00] [Owlhawk] there's one other person already thaere [20:00] well darn..it doesn't seem to be working [20:01] I'm there by myself right now it seems [20:01] [Owlhawk] use the command I typed ad it should work [20:01] [Owlhawk] Nope. I'm in it Sara [20:01] *** Muirin (Mibbit@sorcery-sut85t.nj.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:02] *** Aesa is now known as Nancy [20:02] What does star beside name stand for? [20:02] Hello Muirin [20:02] Byh whose name do you see the star? [20:03] Hello [20:03] Owlhawk and rovena have stard... [20:03] Stars... [20:03] How are you tonight? [20:03] We are moderators [20:03] Pretty good. How about you? [20:03] K [20:04] Week two of heat advisory [20:04] [Owlhawk] excellent. Although the cat didn't like my pie plate tonight after he begged for it [20:04] Lol. My cats are picky too. [20:04] NOrmal for cats [20:05] Mine are sleeping soooo innocently at the moment [20:05] That's always scary. And the innocent looks right before everything crashes to the ground worry me too. [20:06] they're building energy to run around after you've fallen asleep/ [20:06] They have done enough evil for one day [20:06] Lol [20:06] They get kenneled at night to protect them from chewing on electrical wires [20:07] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@sorcery-gka4di.mi.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:07] Hello Rob [20:07] Wow, quite the crowd! [20:07] My cats are pretty good about not chewing on things they shouldn't. But my dog on the other hand... [20:07] [Owlhawk] Hi Rob [20:07] Hi Rob [20:07] Greetings [20:08] [Owlhawk] My wife's evil meowing Daemons fromt he depths of Tartarus did fantatsic not walking on the altar until the last 6 months... [20:08] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:08] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:08] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:08] Something on the Facebook group got me thinking: are we all expected to run multiple hearths? [20:08] Lol. [20:08] *** MrHenderson (Mibbit@sorcery-gou1n0.va.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:09] No [20:09] [Owlhawk] ?? your hearth is whatever you need and or want it to be [20:09] SOme people do but many don't [20:09] We only do Celtic and Norse [20:09] no [20:09] No. Some people do, though. But we don't have to. [20:09] but each Grove is expected to hold more than one type, per that interview with Isaac [20:09] [Owlhawk] I do Hellenic and Chjrstian, as the wife is Christian [20:09] howdy folks [20:10] I study multiple hearths to better serve my protogrove but my personal hearth is Scottish [20:10] Hello. [20:10] Hello Mr Henderson [20:10] My Grove only works with one hearth culture, I'll expect a visit from Isaac's ghost, then. [20:10] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-5clbqt.abhsia.telus.net) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] [20:11] supposedly if we confine ourselves to one culture, we leave 2/3 of area pagans unserved. [20:11] Isaac had a vision but ADF has grown into its own creature [20:11] (There's no ADF rule that groves have to work with more than one hearth culture, in case my sarcasm didn't quite make it through the wire.) [20:11] rovena, in what ways does Scottish hearth differ from Celtic in your opinion? [20:11] [Owlhawk] Sorry Rob, I was busy laughing [20:11] I am still exploring that [20:12] We've spent 22 years developing very specific practices and relationships with the spirits we've contacted, and i would hate to throw that away. [20:12] i mix a bit, but not as much right now [20:12] So you don't use different pantheons for different High Days? [20:13] I do [20:13] for my grove [20:13] The public is welcome to join us for our work, or not, but throwing away everything we've learned just to appeal to newcomers who may or may not be impressed sounds like a bad plan to me. [20:13] For us, who ever hosts the rite determines the pantheon [20:13] [Owlhawk] I do mostly Hellenic. The wife's stuff doesn't go on my altar. [20:13] but that's because I'm nice or somethng ;) [20:13] We tend to alternate High Days between Celtic and Norse now [20:14] Fall Equinox has ended up being a random hearth culture ritual because the other officers demanded it, but I'm still not thrilled with that. [20:14] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:14] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:14] And we haven't exactly gotten a flood of new people at those rituals anyway. [20:14] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:14] does anybody do straight PIE? [20:14] *** Grey_W (greywolf@sorcery-alqnl0.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net) has joined #adf [20:14] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:14] [Owlhawk] IS anyone here for the ADF Southern regional chat? [20:14] Our schedule is as such.....Imbolc Celtic, Spring Equinox - Nature SPirits, Beltane - Norse, Summer Solstice - Hellenic, Autumn Cross - Patron, Autumn Equinox - Hellenic, Samhain - Ancestors, Yule - Norse [20:15] (This is one of those rare topics where I come off as a conservative d***, as soon as the topic changes I'll sound much nicer, honest. >8) [20:15] [Owlhawk] if so, type /join #ADFRegionalDruids [20:15] *** Grey_W (greywolf@sorcery-alqnl0.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net) has left #adf [20:15] well, I'm in the Southern Region; but didn't know there was a separate chat, or what the point would be of going there. [20:15] *** rovena is now known as Guest1884 [20:15] Nemos Ognios grove does PIE, I believe. [20:15] what doesPIE stand for? [20:16] proto Indo European [20:16] Pie Is Excellent! [20:16] Of course, lol [20:16] That would be Ceisiwyr's grove. Of course they would. hehe [20:16] *** ArtShipkowski (Mibbit@sorcery-5e24gf.pa.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:16] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-5clbqt.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #adf [20:17] Hello art [20:17] Indeed! [20:17] [Owlhawk] #ADFRegionalDruids is for regional Chats. the Southern Region is having a chat tonight. [20:18] I would note, in all seriousness, that whenever I try to make changes to our Grove that will attract new members, one of the officers and a few of our members remind me that it'smore important to serve our current members well than to go looking for new ones. A good reality check. [20:18] Hello everybody. Figured as a web guy I should make sure things were going swimmingly, particularly for the inaugural SE region chat. [20:19] I'm not even at the proto-Grove point yet, but open my rituals up. [20:19] Most Groves do that, that's their call. [20:19] is that Spiderman? the Web Guy? Can I have an autograph? [20:20] A big part of the appeal of my grove to me, that's kept me actually enjoying being SD for seventeen straight years, is the feeling that we're building something meaningful in our rituals and our relationships with the spirits we've contacted over the years. [20:20] Jol, wrong sort of web. I was bitten by a radioactive nerd. [20:20] lol [20:20] The SE chat is at #ADFRegionalDruids [20:20] lol [20:21] I'm in there, Guest1884, no worries. [20:21] A facebook friend stuck at work yesterday asked someone to send him some jameson, so I sent him an image of J. Jonah jameson. [20:22] lol [20:22] love it! [20:22] Lol. [20:24] [Owlhawk] Well done Rob [20:25] The quiet settle in. [20:25] or settles in. [20:25] I asked my question; got clarification. [20:25] *** BridgetteAdkins (Mibbit@sorcery-h9if0k.res.bhn.net) has joined #adf [20:25] People may be researching J Jonah Jameson [20:25] So is everyone totally ready for my Ogham app for Android tomorrow? [20:26] Hello Bridgette [20:26] lol Rob [20:26] Don't own an Android [20:26] [Owlhawk] We'll see if it updates Rob. I'm not holding my breath. [20:26] Don't do Ogham. ;-) [20:26] greetings [20:26] *** Guest1884 (rovena@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:26] Hello. [20:26] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:27] (Very few ADF members own Androids, I'm finding out.) [20:27] What version is it on now, Owlhawk? [20:27] I do; LG Optima. Love it. [20:27] Also, since it's been mentioned a few times but we have some newfolks here: The SE chat is at #ADFRegionalDruids [20:28] Ogham app? Where? How? Me wants... [20:28] [Owlhawk] .92 [20:28] LG too [20:28] Mmm, yeah, it should have bumped up over the weekend. [20:29] [Owlhawk] seems similiar to the problem we had with the Greek Alphabet one [20:29] That one wasn't going through official beta testing, though. [20:29] [Owlhawk] true [20:29] 'Cause that was before I had a developer account. [20:30] So realistically, I'll be waiting all day tomorrow for beta test reports from beta testers who aren't doing any beta testing. >8) [20:30] [Owlhawk] I remember us going theough the process to make me a beta tester, but since then nothing has updated and neither app is listed in my play store [20:31] The Oghamantis one won't list on the store for anyone, I don't think. Unless they actually paid for it. [20:31] (And maybe not even then.) [20:32] [Owlhawk] ok [20:33] Want the beta test link again? [20:33] [Owlhawk] we can discuss it tomorrow on facebook [20:34] ok [20:34] Can Ogham beginners beta test? [20:35] I'm testing the app, not the user. >8) Do you have an Adroid device? [20:35] I do [20:36] E-mail me ar kargach@netscape.com [20:36] K [20:36] I can get you a promo code tonight so you can download it. [20:36] *** BridgetteAdkins (Mibbit@sorcery-h9if0k.res.bhn.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:36] *** BridgetteAdkins (Mibbit@sorcery-h9if0k.res.bhn.net) has joined #adf [20:37] *** CeruraRill (Mibbit@sorcery-bkaqg6.ip.windstream.net) has joined #adf [20:37] If a Greek app beta tests, would an Ogham app luis test? [20:37] Hello Cerura [20:38] Ha! [20:38] Lol. [20:38] Hello ! [20:39] Hello. [20:40] Please excuse me if i just lurk here till i figure this out lol [20:40] If you have any questions just jump in [20:40] I haven't been on IRC chat in over 10 years. Brings back memories. [20:40] Thank you [20:41] Same, Jol. Didn't think it would still exist, lol [20:42] Everything old is new again [20:42] recreating ancient theologies of internet usage. [20:42] So what kind of topics tend to be discussed here? [20:42] I have a question. For our DP, can we use one of the books in the the "Other Approved Recommended Reading Sources" list, or do we still have to email for permission to use one of those books? [20:42] everything [20:43] We are IRC reconstructionists? ;) [20:43] (y) [20:43] yep [20:43] That is a good question for Rob [20:43] (What makes you think I know?) [20:44] Lil [20:44] Lol [20:44] you run a Grove, you should know everything [20:44] Lol. I thought I'd ask. [20:44] [Owlhawk] wahgt do you mean Murin? [20:44] I know enough to specialize and not make my head explode by filling it with more than it can handle. >8) [20:44] If it's on the other Approved list, I assume its approved. [20:45] Which book and for which topic? [20:45] *** ArtShipkowski (Mibbit@sorcery-5e24gf.pa.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:45] I mean, are we allowed to use one of the books on that list for our DP requirements. [20:45] *** Raggiedmon (IceChat9@sorcery-5clbqt.abhsia.telus.net) has quit IRC [Connection closed] [20:45] That's why I'm asking which book and which topic. >8) [20:45] Specifically, I wanted to use "In Search of Ancient Ireland". [20:46] For my hearth culture. [20:46] For the culture-specific one? [20:46] Yeah. For Irish culture. [20:46] From what I read, they prefer you use the main list but approved is approved [20:46] If it's on the 'Other Approved" list, I have to believe it would count. [20:46] Okay, great. Thanks! [20:46] If not, then we really need to rename the list. [20:47] [Owlhawk] always a good idea to double check with the Preceptor [20:47] [Owlhawk] But I doubt that Rob would be incorrect..... [20:47] as I've bought books from the lists, I find that *I* don't approve of them. [20:47] *** CeruraRill (Mibbit@sorcery-bkaqg6.ip.windstream.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:47] for Baltic or Slavic, everything is too lightweight. [20:47] For what it's worth, I am reading a book on the regular approved list for Greek hearth culture, but I want to rea something Irish specific, since most of my Gods are from that pantheon. [20:47] looking for translations that don't cost an arm and a leg. [20:48] Lol. [20:48] Okay, I will double-check. [20:48] Jol, I sympathize. [20:48] I have yet to do my DP; but will probably go with PIE. books on it are easier to get. [20:50] can any of you Celtic types tell me about Nodons? [20:51] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:52] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:52] Nodons or Noden? [20:52] *** CeruraRill (Mibbit@sorcery-bkaqg6.ip.windstream.net) has joined #adf [20:52] Not one I know. [20:53] God of seafaring, possibly Welsh? I've heard he could be Celtic form of Njord. [20:53] I don't know much about him, to be honest. He is considered cognate with Nuada often, though I don't personally see much of the connection. Nodons is a British God, whereas most of mine are Irish or Greek. [20:54] When it comes to sea gods, the Slavs and the Balts aren't strongly represented. [20:54] *** CelticSadie (Mibbit@sorcery-u1h.cqu.151.184.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:54] He is also equated with Nudd, who is Welsh, but like I said, I don't really know much beyond that. [20:55] thanks, Muirin [20:55] No, they really aren't. And it's hard to find Slavic information in general. [20:55] No problem. Sorry I couldn't help more. [20:55] modern rodnovery is a fascinating website on Slavic deities. [20:55] Oh, cool! I'll check that out. [20:56] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:56] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:56] Thanks, Jol. [20:57] glad to help. [20:57] Look at that! ADF is a bunch of Idlers! :-) [20:57] Fast as an idle oak. [20:57] Lol. [20:57] heh [20:58] pagan idles [20:58] Meditating not idling [20:59] *** CelticSadie (Mibbit@sorcery-u1h.cqu.151.184.IP) has joined #adf [20:59] Soccer's starting so i should be off in any case. [21:00] [Owlhawk] Go England! [21:00] enjoy your football [21:00] Looks like England, Wales, and maybe even Northern Ireland will advance. [21:00] Sucks to be Scotland. >8) [21:00] nice! enjoy! [21:00] [Owlhawk] Wales won the group. didn't catch who was seconde [21:01] England was. [21:01] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:01] I heard Wales beat Russia. [21:01] [Owlhawk] AWESOM E [21:01] But I am of course watching MY national team now. [21:01] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:01] As long as they don't lose to Argentina by more than six goals, I'llbe happy. [21:01] [Owlhawk] lol. good luck with taht [21:02] *** CeruraRill (Mibbit@sorcery-bkaqg6.ip.windstream.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:02] All we need is for Beckerman to stop Messi. Easy. [21:02] Night! [21:02] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@sorcery-gka4di.mi.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:03] One of Nodons skills is healing. [21:04] There was an ancient temple dedicated to him in UK [21:04] *** BridgetteAdkins (Mibbit@sorcery-h9if0k.res.bhn.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:05] interesting. Njord, in addition to being god of seafaring and plentiful fishing, is also god of commerce, as opposed to Aegir who is just the sea personified. [21:06] I figured the Saxons called him Nodons, and kept him on. Apparently he was more a god of the Britons. [21:07] Supposedly, he was also associated with dogs...if memory serves, anyway. [21:07] we've lost so much lore! [21:07] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:07] Nodons, I mean. I have no idea about Njord. [21:08] I caught it. [21:08] Yeah, we have Jol. It's sad. [21:08] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:08] Okay, cool. [21:09] Yes, associated with dogs [21:10] sea dogs :-) [21:10] night all! [21:11] Night [21:11] [Owlhawk] good night Sara [21:11] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@sorcery-1ln.bcg.91.72.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:11] Good night. I have to go too. My partner just got back with the groceries and I want to help put them away. [21:11] Night [21:11] Night. [21:11] *** Muirin (Mibbit@sorcery-sut85t.nj.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:12] g'night pleasant evening [21:12] Night sara [21:12] *** Nancy (Mibbit@sorcery-gou1n0.va.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:12] *** dedPixie (Mibbit@sorcery-0l2g14.al.charter.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:13] Nodons seems to be spelled a few ways... [21:15] Standardized spelling is a modern concept [21:15] well, back then people weren't big on spelling. [21:15] or writing of any sort [21:16] the Romuva and Rodnovers who try to look authentic use Norse runes, for some reason. They had no writing, historically. [21:17] didn't continental druids use Greek, early on? [21:18] hard to know what they did [21:19] I have to head out. Thanks, and nite all :) [21:19] Night [21:20] it's been interesting, but it looks like it's wrapping up. [21:20] *** Jol (Mibbit@sorcery-20jg30.at.cox.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:20] It often does about now because people have to get up early for work [21:21] *** CelticSadie (Mibbit@sorcery-u1h.cqu.151.184.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:25] last one out, please lock up and put the key in the flower pot [21:25] *** Guest1884 (Guest1884@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:25] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-899poe.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] *** Closed channel log for #adf at 2016-06-21 9:37:03 PM