*** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-05-10 7:30:46 PM [19:30] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [19:30] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:30] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [19:30] =NickServ= Password accepted - you are now recognized. [19:30] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:50] *** LaurenN (Mibbit@sorcery-ivunfg.tx.comcast.net) has joined #adf [19:53] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:54] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:55] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:57] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [19:59] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:59] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:00] Hello Everyone [20:09] *** JasonM (jason@sorcery-nc8vf1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:10] Evning all [20:10] [Owlhawk] HELLO [20:10] Hello Jason [20:10] how is everyone this evening [20:11] Doing well [20:12] Double talking Rovena? [20:12] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:12] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:13] I have trouble staying connected so I have two sign ins so I can see what is miss while off line [20:13] ah, crafty [20:14] is there any topic for today? [20:15] No set topic. Whatever people want to talk about [20:17] so a lively discussion about the weather? [20:18] Weather here is hot and dry No storms expected til Monday [20:18] finally nice here after a week of rain. [20:19] Owlhawk, you still have snow? [20:19] did anyone see about the kid who may have discovered a new ancient south american city by overlaying star maps onto current satellite images? [20:20] [Owlhawk] THANKTHE GODS NO!!!! alothough the pagan campground we go to had some last weekend!\ [20:20] Yes. He sounds amazing [20:20] *** Matthew_Seneca (uid159101@sorcery-d3fcg3.pld0.199n.8300.2604.IP) has joined #adf [20:20] Hello Matthew [20:21] Hello [20:21] Have they done any digging at the site? [20:22] no, there is not yet a expidition planned. [20:23] apparently it's one of the more inaccessible areas [20:24] Which is probably why it hadn't been found before [20:24] I suspect so. [20:25] there are a few stories about amateurs finding new sites via satellite images. [20:26] Amateurs often have the passion needed to do the drudge work on short budgets [20:27] I think thats how they found a lot of the expanded sites around Salisbury planes. [20:28] Agreed [20:30] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:30] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:31] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:38] Are we on to the next topic? [20:40] tangent topic. What are peoples thoughts on on religious monument building in modern context. [20:42] Private monies on private lands is great [20:44] where do you draw that line though. is group money spent on private land acceptable? how big does a group need to be before it's collective holdings are effectively public? [20:46] Public land is governmental owned land; private is nongovernmentally owned land [20:46] It is best if an organization owns the land that it sinks its monies into [20:47] IRS has strict rules about where non-profits can invest their monies [20:48] well yes, I suppose all that is true from a legal perspective. [20:49] What do you think of those sorts of investments from a social perspective. [20:49] is it the type of thing people would like to see done? [20:50] What sort of value does an investment like a monument provide? [20:50] If my "grove" has the funds to buy land and build on it, great. I would love to have a pagan place to worship instead of using outher mundane sites [20:51] Does a church have value to its members? [20:51] I was thinking more of what would be considered "monument building" then say construction of nematon [20:52] what value does the vatican actualy provide to the people? the Rio Jesus? [20:53] some traditionally pagan monuments may have also been a primary worship space (Stonehenge) but perhaps not all. [20:53] To some, none. To others, a great deal. [20:54] how very political of an answer ;) [20:54] It is a true answer [20:55] Some Catholics don't want things like Rio Jesus but it means a great deal to others [20:55] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:55] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:56] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:56] ok less abstract then, would you like to see ADF build a religious monument of some sort in the future? [20:56] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:56] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:56] would you find that sort of thing valuable? [20:57] *** rovena is now known as Guest35656 [20:58] Yes, I personally prefer to worship in a nemeton [20:58] [Owlhawk] Why does it matter? [20:58] it doesn't matter really just a question. [20:59] many pagan societies used to build seemingly impossibly large and / or complex structures. It's not something we do any more. [21:00] Do we not do it because we just don't have the ability, or do we just not want to do that sort of thing anymore for some reason. [21:01] it may be true that we lack the capacity to such a degree that we have no idea if we want to. [21:01] [Owlhawk] modern western society is not a pagan society. Let's get the basics down first, like elder care, ie nursing home options etc [21:03] Thats a good point, way to add practicality to my hypothetical. [21:04] I agree with Owlhawk [21:04] elder care is a difficult topic. religious based or otherwise. [21:05] [Owlhawk] it's an example of just one of the much more important areas we have, as a religous group, to put money towards. [21:08] honestly, neopagans can't even decide if they want priests, let alone whether they want permanent spaces or other religious functions [21:10] Herding cats [21:11] [Owlhawk] that's what multiple cans of tuna are for!@ [21:13] Yeah but I have one that is only on formula and cheese at the moment [21:13] [Owlhawk] details, details! [21:15] *** Guest35656 (rovena@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:15] Old moma cat showed up here again; had three kittens then deserted them again. We have one left but Godzilla is very healthy [21:15] *** Guest35656 (Guest35656@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:15] Godzilla is about 4 weeks old [21:15] fluffy with no tail [21:18] Bootise is not happy to have her territory invaded but a fluff ball so she is staying as high up as she can [21:18] Max (Bichon) is fine with the kitten until it looks for a teat. [21:19] [Owlhawk] lol [21:20] ok folks I'm off for the night. sleep well [21:21] *** JasonM (jason@sorcery-nc8vf1.ma.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit:] [21:21] Til next time [21:30] *** Guest35656 (Guest35656@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:31] *** Guest35656 (Guest35656@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:33] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-j5fvgc.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:34] I am losing connectivity again so I will bid y'all a good night. 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