*** Opened channel log for #adf at 2016-04-12 7:41:54 PM [19:41] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-2bv46v.cable.rogers.com) has joined #adf [19:41] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [19:41] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Mon Aug 3 8:55 AM [19:41] =NickServ= This nickname is registered and protected. If it is your [19:41] =NickServ= nick, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password. Otherwise, [19:41] =NickServ= please choose a different nick. [19:41] =NickServ= If you do not change within 1 minute, I will change your nick. [19:41] =NickServ= Password accepted - you are now recognized. [19:41] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [19:42] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:43] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:44] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [19:45] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:45] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:50] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:56] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [19:56] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [19:59] *** StellaStar (Mibbit@sorcery-of5.ojq.246.24.IP) has joined #adf [19:59] Hello Stella [20:00] Hello back to you and thanks. I'm new to ADF and this is my first time on this chat. [20:01] Cool. Do you have any questions we could help you with? [20:02] I guess I have one. I'm also a member of OBOD and studying their course. I have read some of the Desiccant materials. Do you or others think it will be confusing to study both? [20:03] That was "dedicant" :-) [20:03] I am only guessing since I haven't seen the OBOD material. [20:03] I know of people who have done both. [20:04] It largely depends on you. [20:04] Warning. I am a perfect speller but a lousy typist [20:05] I joined ADF mainly to get to know more folks in US and go to some events. But I do think I will study the dedicant path. So far they are different but not conflicting. [20:05] [Owlhawk] They do take different approaches to Druidry. That should be kept in mind [20:05] I guess I haven't read enough to know what the different approaches are. [20:06] My understanding is OBOD views Druidery as a philosophy and ADF views it as a religion [20:07] That is one reason I am attached to ADF. I do want to be part of a religion or have a religion that is part of me. [20:08] [Owlhawk] ADF is Polytheistic. It is openly pagan, following the old gods of Indo European belief. OBOD is [20:08] We have the official elist/forums and Facebook groups as well as the chats [20:08] [Owlhawk] more open to beliefs outside that paradigm [20:08] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:09] *** RovenaWindsor (Mibbit@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:09] Are you drawn to a particular hearth culture yet? [20:09] I am polytheistic and drawn to the IE gods. I look forward to learning more. And I have joined some of the forums. [20:10] The forums can be quiet but if you ask a question you should get a variety of answers [20:10] I would say Celtic or ancient British. Are either a hearth culture? [20:10] [Owlhawk] Hellenic [20:11] This is helpful. [20:11] Yes they are. For ancient British, you are probably looking at Anglo-Saxon and we have several Celtic groups [20:12] Irish and Welsh [20:13] There are a couple of others but they are continental Europe [20:13] Have another question (but don't want this chat to be just about me). I studied Wicca for a year by myself. Husband and I were traveling in an RV. When we bought a small home, I found a pagan group. A few are studying Druidry. Do you see any problems with staying with this group? [20:14] We have no problem with it [20:14] We have Wiccan members and many people who belong to multiple groups [20:15] Thanks. They are very nice but all rituals are Wiccan. The high priestess and I are now friends and she accepts my current path. [20:15] Arch Druid is also in RNDA [20:15] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@sorcery-gka4di.mi.comcast.net) has joined #adf [20:16] Hello Rob [20:16] [Owlhawk] hi [20:16] Our hard rules only apply to ADF public ritual. What you do is your choice [20:17] During the Dedicant Program you will need to do 4 ADF style High Day rituals [20:17] Hi all! [20:17] They can be solitary [20:17] Thanks once again. My solitary rituals will be Druid. [20:21] So what do people want to talk about? [20:23] I have no opinion on the matter. My mind is full of Java code, but something tells me nobody else wants to hear that. >80 [20:23] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #adf [20:23] Hello Matthew [20:23] Hi! [20:24] Rob, I would listen but I couldn't promise to understand [20:24] How are you tonight, Matthew? [20:24] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:24] I'm sorry but I have to go. This was nice and I appreciate your answers and comments. [20:25] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:25] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:25] I not too bad [20:25] Glad we could help! [20:25] *** StellaStar (Mibbit@sorcery-of5.ojq.246.24.IP) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:25] Aw it looks like i missed a good conversation [20:26] Stella is new and had some good questions [20:28] We are old and filled with silence. >8) [20:28] Sorry I was on a phone call [20:29] Work stuff. Being a superviser/program manager is rough lol [20:29] So is there any way I can see the stuff I missed. Anyone willing to copy/paste me a PM? [20:29] Speak for yourself, Rob. My birth certificate is old but I am young [20:30] I don't FEEL young anymore. [20:31] I don't think that counts though [20:31] Oh, i *am* old, and I've earned it. >8) [20:31] [Owlhawk] getting old beats the alternatve [20:32] You are as young as you feel [20:32] Youth is wasted on the young! [20:33] True as are naps [20:33] i love/hate naps [20:33] feel great but make me feel like I wasted time [20:34] Feeling great is never a waste of time [20:34] Generally, when i try powing through the afternoon without a nap, that's when I really end up wasting time. [20:34] *** CarrionMann (Mibbit@sorcery-v77uqp.dynamic.velocity.net) has joined #adf [20:35] Hello Carrion [20:35] Hi Rovena [20:35] Hi All [20:35] Hi! [20:35] It has been a little while since I have been able to join a chat. [20:36] Understand that but glad you could make it tonight [20:36] Me too...sorry I am late. [20:37] No such thing as arrivng late or leaving early. [20:37] Drop in when you can and drop out when you must [20:37] *** Star (Mibbit@sorcery-ijdr9n.res.rr.com) has joined #adf [20:37] Cool [20:37] hello :) [20:37] hi [20:37] Hello Star [20:38] /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [20:38] hi [20:38] hows it going [20:38] *** Star is now known as Guest778 [20:38] Hi! [20:38] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:38] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:38] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:39] I am in between two storm fronts so I get dropped a lot [20:40] oh hope all is well [20:40] Congratulations on the election, Carrion! [20:41] :) congratulation! [20:41] Thank you! I am very excited for this opportunity. [20:41] Thank you [20:42] You will do great [20:42] I will do my best to live up to expectations:) [20:45] Were we discussing anything in particular before I joined? [20:45] What we talk about ever night World Domination, Pinky [20:45] *** lesley (Mibbit@sorcery-g53org.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #adf [20:46] ok try this again hello yall [20:46] Hey Lesley [20:46] hey there:) [20:46] Hi again! [20:46] CarrionMann, congrats! [20:46] Thanks Lesley! [20:46] Apparently a new person asked questions and then left right when I got here. That's been the conversation. [20:47] what was the question? [20:47] She wanted to know if she could do OBOD study and DP [20:48] cool [20:48] A little about hearth cultures [20:48] Oh if only Drum had been here. [20:48] lol [20:49] well maybe she will come back, I know I had a hard time getting on tonight for some reason it was blank at first [20:49] Why? [20:49] same here having trouble getting on at first [20:49] She needed to run but I hope we will see her again [20:50] The MMO I play had a new update today, so it's been slow logins for everything. [20:51] I also had trouble getting a blank IRC page twice when I first tried to connnect. [20:51] How about two 'n's not 3 [20:51] [Owlhawk] LOTRO? that's the one i couldn't get to work Rob. [20:51] wow [20:51] [Owlhawk] IRC took me almost a half hour to log in to today [20:52] Yep. [20:52] I got a blank screen here as well. [20:52] been a day of none of my internet based programs working fast or correct [20:54] I have had the same problem on my end [20:55] so other then internet issues, how is everyone doing? [20:55] [Owlhawk] It snowed yesterday... [20:55] It rained here [20:55] rain here [20:55] Getting much work done on my ogham app, it'll probably be ready as soon as Michael gets me the tile graphics. [20:55] Prefer the rain to your snow [20:56] I was at the ADF women's chenille retreat in OH on Saturday we got about 6 inches of snow. [20:56] [Owlhawk] yup, much less ice on the roads [20:56] [Owlhawk] yup, sounds about right for the weekend [20:56] I so wish I could have went to the chenille retreat, maybe next time [20:56] were you camping? [20:56] In a heated camper...thank goodness not a tent. [20:57] [Owlhawk] lol [20:57] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [20:57] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [20:57] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:57] good thing that, I was hot tubing in the snow lol [20:57] down here we already need ac campers lol [20:57] Going to brave Tillium festival beginning Thursday...hoping the weather holds in Virginia:) [20:57] Not funny Lesley...lol [20:57] [Owlhawk] I brushed snow off the car this morning [20:58] We use the heaters in the AM and the AC in the PM [20:58] It will be 22 degrees at my house tonight [20:58] tshirt and shorts [20:58] not in 22 degrees! [20:58] we were 90 today [20:59] [Owlhawk] it's 1 degree C here [21:00] Where do you live? [21:00] [Owlhawk] Southern Ontario, bottom tip of Gerogian BAy [21:00] We are holding our Druid Moon ritual outside tomorrow in this weather! [21:00] [Owlhawk] lol [21:01] I was reading somewhere that our axis has shifted. [21:01] long underwear for tomorrow and layers [21:01] It has by a small but measurable amount, yep. [21:01] Better have a big fire...last year at our Earth Day ritual it was a white out in ritual outside:) [21:01] guest778 who are you? [21:01] I have two members with chronic health issues so we are inside for about 50% of our rituals [21:02] We are usually inside November through March and sometimes October through April. [21:02] star [21:02] awe okay thanks [21:02] Sorry I tried to get the nick name to stay and I can't seem to get it to stick [21:02] We schedule Samhain outside but Spring Equinox inside, and get complaints about both. [21:03] We are fortunately enough to be able to have both an inside and outside space that is available any day and we can move inside with no advanced notice. [21:03] That's the dream right there! [21:03] Cool [21:04] I am one of three speakers at the local U U Earth Day Sunday Service [21:06] that's cool and scary at the same time [21:06] I don't like public speaking that's just me [21:07] *** HollyKing (brendan@sorcery-jiq.upm.36.104.IP) has joined #adf [21:07] Hello Holly [21:07] That's a great opportunity Rovena! [21:07] I don't look forward to it but it needs to be done [21:08] They are very pagan friendly even if they think we are all Wiccans [21:08] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:08] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:08] *** Mode change [+o rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:08] :) [21:09] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:10] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:10] I'm off, night all! [21:10] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:10] good evening [21:11] Keep an eye out for update to my Ogham app! [21:11] [Owlhawk] good night \rog [21:11] [Owlhawk] Rob [21:11] *** rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:11] Oh, opinion poll, better name for an Ogham app: Oghamantis, or Adhmaidruid? [21:11] [Owlhawk] Oghamantis [21:11] (Adhmaid means wooden) [21:11] Agree [21:12] *** rovena is now known as Guest17163 [21:12] So you don't think I'll have rabid Celtophiles complaining about the Greek root? [21:12] But would your target audience know that? [21:12] [Owlhawk] likely will, but that's half the fun! [21:12] I'm trying to sell this thing, i don't need that kind of fun. >8) [21:13] People interested in Ogham might well know some irish. [21:13] [Owlhawk] lol true [21:13] *** Guest17163 is now known as Rovena [21:13] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:13] Both sound good to me [21:13] I could simplify it to Amadruid so people can pronounce it at least. [21:13] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@sorcery-oaru1r.ca.charter.com) has joined #adf [21:14] do you need testers? [21:14] I have some, but if you want in, I have a promo code. [21:14] coolio [21:14] Hello Trent [21:14] Are you on my FB friendlist still? [21:14] *** Rovena (rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:14] I think so not sure [21:14] Look for the link I posted over the weekend and PM me so I can send the code. [21:15] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:15] ok [21:15] Night! [21:15] *** RobHenderson (Mibbit@sorcery-gka4di.mi.comcast.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:15] Kindreds bless and night [21:15] Night Rob [21:15] So I found a book yesterday has anyone heard or read 'The Encyclopedia of Celtic Wisdom' a celtic shaman's source book by Caitlin And John Matthews? [21:15] night rob [21:16] [Owlhawk] Avoid it [21:16] been long time since I have, I don't remember it [21:16] *** Rovena is now known as Guest38953 [21:17] [Owlhawk] I don't have good impressions of it, but it's been a long time since i looked at it [21:17] hi everyone [21:18] hi trent [21:18] How are you Trent? [21:18] Hey Trent [21:18] We are having id issues. [21:19] an identity crisis [21:19] :-P [21:19] celtic shamans, huh? [21:20] Trying, definitely trying to be [21:20] yeah used to be a neo pagan hogwash thing at one time [21:21] that came out wrong [21:21] but it was like 21 lesson of merlin crazy theory at one time [21:21] hah [21:22] oh well bad reference book but I was out of town and grabbed it because I saw it oh well [21:22] sometimes it is good to read the bad ones so you can defend why it is bad [21:23] that's a good point [21:23] [Owlhawk] That;'s not a good enough reason to read 21 lessons.... [21:23] there is no good reason to read 21 lessons [21:23] unfortunatly I can not get that time back [21:23] I was a kid though and didn't know [21:23] lol [21:24] [Owlhawk] lol. I flipped thrugh it when it came out and wisely left it on the shelf and bought Uncle Bucky's Big Blue Book instead [21:25] i started reading Inner Temple of Witchcraft recently...it was okay until i got to the "history of witchcraft" part which said "witchcraft was the religion of the ancient pagans" and stopped reading it :-P [21:25] Oh, I made it. :) [21:25] Hey Holly [21:25] hi holly [21:25] hi Holly [21:27] [Owlhawk] Mom and Dad are home from florida, and coincendatlly we now have a 32" LCD HD TV! [21:27] Back in the early days, books were written with a layer of crap to weed out the curiosity seekers. You have to dig deep to get to the good info [21:27] nice :) [21:27] Cool! [21:28] [Owlhawk] It'll sit on the floor to warm up overnight, and I'll play with setting it up tomorrow after school [21:28] Good idea [21:28] [Owlhawk] That's why it's here now instead of tomorow. Dad didn't want it left in the car overnight again. [21:29] [Owlhawk] And on the weekend I'll get the tv computer reconfigured and hook it up to the new tv [21:30] [Owlhawk] as far as early books go, Cunningham and Buckland were good. There were others, such as Spiral Dance\ [21:30] [Owlhawk] Gardner's books were informative [21:31] I never read Buckland. I have some Cunningham and Spiral Dance. That's kind of where I began before ADF [21:32] *** Guest38953 (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:32] *** Guest38953 (Guest38953@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:32] cunningham was okay, spiral dance is pretty good, if focused on one interpretation of wicca [21:32] *** Guest38953 is now known as Rovena [21:32] I started with raven wolf and then to buckland [21:32] [Owlhawk] Buckland is a complete course in his wiccan tradition, to the point of a 3rd degree [21:32] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:33] *** Rovena (Guest38953@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:33] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:33] [Owlhawk] I found raven wolf to be probelmatic in many ways, not least of which is she did not write anything like the tradition she leads/is a part of [21:33] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:34] I read it just like I did Buckland I read it and thought nope nope nope I don't agree with that or if I did agree with something I adopted it [21:34] Llewellyn was once a good publisher but new management was more interested in selling books than in quality [21:35] quantity over quality [21:35] though really most of my wiccan knowledge is from in person stuff [21:36] Okay brb, smoke break [21:36] I knew a couple of the authors They had to publish or get dropped. They quit [21:37] I can understand the typical worship areas but once we get into magic proper, I get more and more unsure [21:38] [Owlhawk] magic is one of those areas where there are multiple definitions, and multiple applications. Including prayer [21:38] We have a magicians guild [21:38] [Owlhawk] And they are knowledgeable! [21:39] I'd like to be more of a magician in my practice but I get push back mentally from myself. [21:39] I've been frequenting the Guild on adf and their knowledge. [21:39] [Owlhawk] that would be a good thing to take to the Guild for disscusion and advice. [21:39] it's when we get into the gods telling a person about how this/that should be done. [21:40] [Owlhawk] ?? [21:40] Yeah. I've been told I can be vague. [21:40] I'll expound [21:41] I was reading Magical Theory from Odin and Freya on the Guild page [21:42] [Owlhawk] I haven't read that yet. [21:42] Mr. Cox was referring to how the God and Goddess explained aspects of the craft to him. At some point, due to my lack of personal experience, it begins to feel farfetched. [21:43] Someone else's UPG can be hard to grasp [21:44] [Owlhawk] Rodney is very approachable. It''s not that I'm not aware of what he's been working on, I just haven't read the stuff on the website about it. I recommend emailing him and discussing it with him. He's very approachable [21:44] Most ADF members seem to be [21:45] [Owlhawk] and he's also the best person at this point to ask about that Work [21:45] Definitely he is the one to ask [21:45] Being the author especially. I'm out of my depth when it comes to magic. I understand it. I can even relate it to some of the sciences I understand. [21:46] [Owlhawk] Quantum Physics mostly [21:46] I may reach out too. I like a general discussion before I tug on someone's coat and say "Excuse me mister." lol [21:46] Quite right Owlhawk [21:47] My understanding of the quantum enhances my understanding of magic and vice versa [21:49] My college science class was astromony [21:49] I've actually been in contact with Sara Blackwelder. Hopefully I'll be able to attend the next High Day [21:50] I'm a lover of science, metaphysical, and magic [21:50] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:50] Our last conversation had a lot to do about all Rovena! [21:50] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:51] Magical Theory from Odin and Freya [21:51] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:51] Hate it when I forget what I last copied [21:52] [Owlhawk] When studying magic many years ago I turned to Crowley's introduction text in order to get some understanding beyond what Wicca taught [21:53] Aleister? [21:53] [Owlhawk] yes [21:53] Just confirming [21:53] I've read a few things from Robert Anton [21:53] Discordian's are fun [21:53] or not [21:53] [Owlhawk] mind you, this is 25 years ago or so [21:54] or both [21:54] [Owlhawk] yup [21:54] I love magic of all kinds! [21:54] but spirit magic is my favorite. [21:54] I have more books on my shelf than I've read [21:55] Carrion, do you mean like Goethe stuff or something else? [21:55] I think I mistyped [21:56] so what we talking about now [21:56] I'm getting tired. [21:56] I think I steered the convo into magic [21:56] What is wrong with that? [21:57] It is interesting [21:57] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [21:57] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [21:57] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [21:58] it's certainly on-topic :) [21:59] Carrion. I'd love to hear more if you would. [22:00] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:00] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:00] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [22:02] *** DNS: Unable to resolve sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com [22:02] She could be multitasking and hasn't seen your request yet [22:02] [Owlhawk] I'm guessing that it's work that has grown out of her Work with the Order of the Dead [22:03] I agree with that [22:04] she has amazing insight sometimes I wish I had a day just to pick Carrion's mind but I lose everything I'm curious about when ever we talk [22:04] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:04] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:04] Sorry I am having internet issues. [22:04] I know the feeling of loosing thoughts when going to talk to someone [22:05] There is a lot of that tonight [22:05] *** Rovena is now known as Guest54123 [22:05] Okay spirit magic...I am talking about calling upon, forging alliance with and working change through the aid of the spirit world. [22:05] My work with the Dead is most certainly part of this. [22:06] This type of work has many different labels. [22:06] Okay. I have a clear view [22:07] Rodney's work actually talked a bit about it so I have some understanding [22:08] *** Guest54123 (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:08] *** Guest54123 (Guest54123@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:08] Some times they can be referred to as "soul crafts" like Spae-craft or Seidr. [22:08] Which are the forms that interest me the most [22:09] I love cooperation [22:09] I include Necromancy in this group of techniques. [22:09] I hate forceful commanding. As a supervisor I know better. [22:09] yes, I used the 'n' word... [22:09] HA1 [22:09] [Owlhawk] meh [22:09] oh no not the n word lol [22:09] That poor poor word [22:10] If the word was a person I'd feel so bad for it [22:10] heh [22:10] forceful commanding is not my favorite, but it has its uses. [22:10] I much more prefer building magical alliances. [22:10] Everything in it's own place! I know this as well. All techniques have there uses. [22:10] *** Guest54123 (Guest54123@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:11] *** Guest54123 (Guest54123@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:11] I feel like it's more organic in form [22:11] *** Guest54123 is now known as Rovena [22:11] alliances that is [22:11] I wish I was better at getting my requests heard and carried out....even with offerings done, things are not happening unless I go to another to ask them to do it [22:11] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [22:11] To me magic is neither good nor evil/ black nor white...it is the intention of the magician that is everything. [22:12] Agreed [22:12] Same story, Different versions. Every one true. [22:12] agreed [22:13] I also do my share of 'wish' magic or 'will' based magic. [22:13] That makes me think Prayer with Umph [22:13] I came to this type more recently than the other. "prayer with umph [22:13] is a type of magic [22:13] lol [22:13] I hit send before I was ready [22:14] but it is also incantations, galdar, word magic of all kinds [22:14] The funny thing is I'm certain I've been practicing magic all my life [22:14] I just never called it magic [22:15] is there a thing like dream magic or is that transing? [22:15] For some reason the ceremony makes it weird for me. [22:15] maybe because modern society teach us that 'magic isn't real' [22:15] therefore 'prayer can't be magic' because prayer is real [22:15] ceremony makes it powerful [22:16] I am not certain what you mean by dream magic...trance-journeying? [22:16] I've gotten into some bad places by saying Mass is magical ceremony [22:16] I bet you have [22:16] lol [22:17] call it ceremonial magic and you will get an even worse reaction! [22:17] hah [22:17] I'm somewhat controversial in conversations [22:17] [Owlhawk] 'The application of energy in accordance with Will." [22:17] so question, how can one improve their magic [22:18] well as an example I've had dreams where I've been preforming ritual or working magic and then I wake up would this be considered dream magic or do you think that it wouldn't exist outside of your dream because it's been so specific sometimes that I wake up exhausted like I'd been working [22:18] First thing that comes to my mind would be mental discipline [22:18] How else do they explain transmutation of the sacrament? [22:19] [Owlhawk] That is the work of God [22:19] Very good question Rovena. The problem happens when people shut down because they'll get defensive about their faith rather than just discussing [22:19] Very true [22:20] [Owlhawk] Any other explantion is evidence that you are an unbeliever and must be purged [22:20] Should have see the look I got yesterday when i asked someone, "Like the chicken and the egg. Did God come first or did Man?" [22:20] oooooooo Purge. [22:21] Well Star, I myself would say that you exist outside your body while you sleep. You very well could have been conducting a ritual in the dreamscape. [22:22] transubstantiation is explained as "a divine mystery" [22:22] which has it's own connections of power. The trick would be doing it consciously [22:22] it must be one of those faith things that you have no right to question [22:23] sorry I am slow...my response was to Rovena [22:24] We are accustom to multiple conversations going on here [22:24] well yall, I have to hit the bed, I was up all last night and need to get sleep tonight...talk to yall laters and Kindreds bless you on your path [22:24] Well it's like, being perfectly fine that this dude made water to wine and so forth, but me believing fire transforms things for the gods is ridiculous. [22:24] have a good night lesley good night :) [22:24] As for trance journey, I don't know that I would call this 'dream magic' because dream implies sleep and while trance is an altered state of consciousness it is not sleeping. [22:24] Sleep well [22:24] So veins of thought say we have an astral body [22:25] good night Lesley [22:25] *** lesley (Mibbit@sorcery-g53org.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:25] So it could be similar to that. Instead of using trance, utilize lucid dreaming [22:25] is there a group that focuses on trance ? [22:26] The Seers Guild would be my answer there [22:26] Escatic Trance G\uild [22:26] they have an elist/forum [22:26] I like to think that Magician's use "active" magic and the Seer's use "passive magic". I'm likely wrong but right [22:27] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:27] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #adf [22:27] I would think Seers Guild does divination [22:28] as a Seer I use spirit magic that is active magic [22:28] I think there is a difference between seership and divination [22:28] [Owlhawk] all magic is active [22:29] is the seers guild just for runes or all aspects? [22:29] what is your definition of 'passive magic' Matthew? [22:29] All aspects [22:29] Talking from my rear-end again? yeah my bad. I know the Seers have some things on seidhr [22:29] lol [22:31] Well I did a stint with Taoist philosophy [22:31] So I see Creative/Receptive or Active/Passive in all things. [22:32] Ceremonial would strike me as Active. As well as Rune-making, Galdor, etc. [22:33] Passive for me is more like moving personal energy around, something quieter almost restful outwardly. Opening up to receive or be receptive to energies around to gain something [22:33] *** Rovena (Guest54123@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:34] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:34] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [22:35] I understand nothing is black or white. [22:37] I absolutely hate that I have to run from some of my favorite conversation points but I do. It's 1030 and I go to work at 500am. [22:37] I must bid adieu [22:37] Night [22:37] good night [22:38] And hey, If anyone wants to chat about things throughout the week. Drop me a line! I'm in the lookup. Night Ya'll [22:38] *** Matthew_Seneca (Mibbit@sorcery-j2866m.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:40] good night. I am going to have to run also. Have to get up for work at 5 as well. [22:40] sleep well I'm off too have a great one ;) [22:40] *** Guest778 (Mibbit@sorcery-ijdr9n.res.rr.com) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:42] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has quit IRC [Quit: SorceryNet Kiwi WebChat] [22:42] *** Rovena (Rovena@sorcery-tl2kig.direcpc.com) has joined #adf [22:42] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [22:44] So, gang, what do we want to talk about? [22:57] Good evening. [22:58] *** HollyKing is now known as BrendanLeber [22:58] Sometimes being on the west coast sucks... ;) [22:59] Yeah, it can [23:00] Need to get more Mountain and West Coast Time Zoners to come. [23:01] Chat can go on as long as there are people to talk with [23:03] I plan on hanging out more to be available to chat. It's the least I could do. [23:04] Cool. Is there anything you want to talk about? [23:16] Brendan, is there anything you want to talk about? 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