*** Opened channel log for #adf at 09/06/2015 4:56:21 PM [16:56] *** Owlhawk (Owlhawk@cf983e33.cpe.net.cable.f33844f1.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [16:56] *** Topic is: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org [16:56] *** Topic set by ChanServ!services@services.sorcery.net on Tue Jun 9 3:14 AM [16:56] =NickServ= Password accepted - you are now recognized. [16:56] *** Mode change [+o Owlhawk] on #adf by ChanServ [17:31] *** Alusa_ (Alusa@6ca5ed97.6ca5ed1b.108.68.imsk) has quit IRC [Read error: Connection reset by peer] [19:35] *** SagaManannanac (Mibbit@49027530.ph.ph.6ca6b017.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:42] *** Rovena (Mibbit@17fd59c8.dhcp.stls.mo.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:42] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:45] *** Ashtore (Mibbit@ba5e5519.hsd1.ca.5aa6454b.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:46] Hello Ashtore [19:46] 'ello! [19:47] haven't been to one of these in awhile...lol. [19:47] Like riding a bike [19:48] we'll see, as long as the lag isn't too bad, thats what I remember most. [19:48] it made for some interesting conversations [19:49] Yes it did but it hasn't been bad layely [19:50] :) [19:51] Oh, I am a perfect speller but a lousy typist [19:52] I am keeping the grammar nazi in me caged, I'm tyoing on an bluetooth keyboard so it would be hypocritical. [19:52] :) [19:53] to do anything else. [19:53] I thank you for your self restraint [19:54] :D [19:54] your very welcome. [19:54] I proofread for a living so....yeah. :) [19:55] My hubby won't do chat for fear of typos and grammar. He has a good excuse. He was once hit by a train and has never been able to easily communicate as he once did [19:56] geezus...that is a VERY valid excuse. [19:58] I'm glad he survived. that seems so small but I cant think of anything else to say to that. [19:59] :O [20:00] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@66fa1b5b.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:00] But what else could one say. I am glad he survived, too. He won't do the DP because I isn't comfortable with how he expresses himself. [20:01] how is everyone tonight? [20:01] Hello Sara [20:01] 'ello! [20:02] *** Rovena (Mibbit@17fd59c8.dhcp.stls.mo.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:02] *** Rovena (Mibbit@17fd59c8.dhcp.stls.mo.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:02] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:02] I can understand your hubby's fears, I am struggling through myself and some aspects are better than others. [20:03] Warning I am working off my laptop so I will get dropped a lot [20:04] thats cool. it'l just make the conversation flow in interesting ways. :) [20:06] I am working on other things myself tonight, but still wanted to drop in and say hello! [20:06] what's everyone working on these days? [20:06] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@37bcff35.dhcp.trlk.ca.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:06] my home is dry inspite of the 100 yr flood [20:06] hi everyone [20:06] yay Rovena! [20:06] Hello Trent [20:06] 'ello! [20:07] so, is there supposed to be a topic to these things? just curious...not suggesting I have one. :) [20:07] No announced one [20:07] we just talk about whatever really [20:08] about 505 of the time it actually has to do with paganism :-P [20:08] err, 50% [20:08] thats cool. [20:08] i mostly just lurk [20:08] sounds like something most of us here would have in common [20:08] *** LisaWM (Mibbit@58b4c540.dsl.cc8fe126.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:09] Hello friends [20:09] Wait ... Paganism? I thought this was the Trekkie channel [20:09] paganism, not the lurking....though that can have its place too [20:10] I'm almost sure your joking, Rovena. Almost. [20:10] Owlhawk usually plots world domination [20:11] or talks Doctor Who ;) [20:11] i think we have discussed Trek on occasion [20:11] :-P [20:11] Well I am here every week so I should have tumbled before now [20:11] What haven't we discussed? [20:11] :) [20:13] err [20:13] i dunno [20:13] :-P [20:13] thats encouraging. [20:13] i thought it might be [20:13] heh [20:13] lol [20:15] i do have something actually [20:15] now that i think of it [20:15] Go ahead [20:16] i was going to post this on the FB page, but since a. I'm here, and b. I kinda hate FB as a discussion medium, I'll put it here first [20:17] suspense in building... [20:17] I picked a bad day to stop biting my nails [20:17] so, ADF is focused on Indo-Europen "hearth cultures"...so Celtic, Germanic, Norse, Greek, Roman, etc., but not Egyptian or Sumerian or whatnot [20:18] true. [20:18] the thing is though, and especially with the more Mediterranean hearth cultures, there was a lot of mixing of IE and non-IE gods and practices [20:19] the two I can think of is the Roman legions worshipping Mitra, and lots of people worshipping Isis, an Egyptian diety [20:19] true [20:19] and of course, eventually, that whole Christian thing :-P [20:20] yes. [20:20] *** Alusa (Alusa@6ca5ed97.6ca5ed1b.108.68.imsk) has joined #adf [20:20] there was a thing. [20:20] so I'm just wondering what ADF's "stance" is on that...like, non-IE gods but they were worshipped by Romans, Greeks, etc. [20:21] First we don't do living traditions so Christian is out [20:22] well, yeah, I definitely agree with _that_ [20:22] ADF stance only applies to public ritual [20:22] basically, you can worship them if you want...but they are not ADF, so can't be an ADF public ritual [20:22] First of all, your personal practice is just that, personal. Second, I think if you can prove that an IE culture successfully imported non-IE beliefs it should be fair game. [20:23] yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking [20:23] like, at least, the IE culture "version" of said god or belief [20:23] Depends on how much they were part of the culture [20:23] true [20:23] brb, the cats are restless [20:24] I think mostly its about public versus private beliefs and practices. [20:24] Romans had a pedestal to the unknown god but I doubt if they worshipped it much [20:24] There was a temple to Isis in Rome, that sounds pretty legit to me. [20:25] But where do you draw the line? [20:25] If you can prove that an IE culture successfully imported non-IE beliefs it should be fair game. [20:26] The goverment had its own state religion but as a private citizen as long as you respected the beliefs of the government publicly what you did privately was your own business. [20:26] Last week we had 4 priests but tonight we have a question for them and only one is on line [20:27] back [20:27] But that changed when the emperor went Christian [20:27] Again, it is really about public ritual. ADF says IE only in public ritual. Private practice is up to you :) [20:27] i guess this is really about what the definition of "IE" is [20:28] not really. at least for some emporers. I can't name one off the top of my head but as long as you looked christian in public what you did in private was your usiness [20:28] ADF goes with language based [20:28] as long as it stayed private. Once it got out you were pagan at home you were toast. Literally. [20:29] Agreed it did vary with emperor [20:29] but then it wasn't really okay in private, for them...it was more like "don't ask, don't tell", and the first part of that tended to fall by the wayside [20:29] I think you can say that adf runs the same way, they just drew the line at IE. [20:30] not the ask don't tell just continuing my thought. [20:30] right [20:31] though i do wonder what a druid inquisition would be like... :-P [20:31] a lot of arguing between the inquisitors lol [20:31] lol [20:31] There would be ahohol involved probably [20:32] You would have to get everyone to accept one definition of druid .. good luck with that [20:32] but of course [20:32] hence the arguing, and the booze :-P [20:32] lol seriouslu Rovena! [20:32] there might even be singing. [20:33] The Druidquisition, what a show! [20:33] hehehe [20:33] *** SharonRose (Mibbit@7a15f8d9.cpe.de729c11.ca.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:33] though once they got going who would remember the outcome? [20:33] the camera? [20:34] would it be inhospitable not to offer the cameraman a drink too? [20:35] I thought it would be on a tripod running itself [20:35] that might work. [20:36] that would be some show. [20:36] yes it would [20:36] heh [20:36] *** Alusa2 (Alusa@14055ab2.14055b12.108.195.imsk) has joined #adf [20:36] *** Alusa2 is now known as Alusa_ [20:36] Who would collect the hush money? [20:36] we all would :-P [20:37] ll [20:37] lol [20:38] *** Alusa (Alusa@6ca5ed97.6ca5ed1b.108.68.imsk) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] [20:39] heh [20:41] so [20:41] anyway [20:41] how about them mets? [20:42] Down here we ask about the Saints [20:42] or i guess Giants, given where I live now... [20:42] *crickets* [20:42] go bolts? [20:42] Owlhawk would say the Maple Leafs [20:43] well they didn't make it to the cup ;) [20:43] and since I live in Tampa area and all [20:43] I would say sharks but thats hockey. [20:44] so, did we answer the original question? [20:45] i think so...i liked Saga's take on it [20:46] But is that the official take? [20:46] Just my opinion, not official ADF stance on the matter. [20:46] Is this one of those Because Mother Says so [20:46] But again, your personal practice is just that. Personal. Never ever let any one tell you what you can and can't do in your own personal practice. [20:47] What was the original question? :) [20:47] But I thought the question was on public ritual [20:47] [Owlhawk] Go Leafs Go! [20:47] lol [20:47] i suppose it was [20:48] I think the basis for their thinking is to have a united front, so that if someone comes in as a newbie or just visiting they know what to expect.They just happened to draw the line at IE Cultures based on language. [20:48] *** LisaWM (Mibbit@58b4c540.dsl.cc8fe126.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:48] basically, some of the IE cultures blended in elements and gods from non-IE cultures, especially around the Mediterranean (Greeks, Romans, etc.). My question was what ADF's stance on those things, in a public rit I guess [20:49] right [20:49] rite [20:49] :) [20:49] Youe both are correct [20:49] hah [20:49] lol [20:50] I am also sure there's an article or something on that :) [20:51] I would love to read it [20:51] probably [20:51] back when I was more of a Wiccan, some people were talking about a "Mediterranean tradition", basically focusing on all the gods worshipped around that area [20:51] *** SharonRose (Mibbit@7a15f8d9.cpe.de729c11.ca.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:52] i guess sort of as a meta-pantheon [20:52] that idea always appealed to me [20:52] and I guess that's my personal interest in this topic [20:52] :) [20:52] [Owlhawk] hello. I'm back [20:53] Welcome back [20:53] well I have a Norse and Hellenic home heart.....soooo [20:53] again, worship who calls to you. Just remember ADF public ritual has to be IE Core Order of Ritual :) [20:53] My point is that while in the origanal culture there was a mixing, ADF was looking for a sense off solidarity I think is the word, rather than just a mishmash of cultures and beliefs. O' mot saying these beliefs are any less valid but adf was I think trying to break away from that. [20:54] if I am making any sense....keyboard be damned. [20:55] *** Rovena (Mibbit@17fd59c8.dhcp.stls.mo.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:55] *** Rovena (Mibbit@17fd59c8.dhcp.stls.mo.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:55] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:55] Perfect sense [20:56] yep [20:56] No matter where or how we draw the line someone will want to smudge it a bit [20:56] :) [20:56] heh [20:56] and i do agree with that idea [20:57] And I think thats okay, if it works for you go for it. [21:01] heh, i'm not really sure what works for me yet... [21:01] :) [21:02] And that is the fun part of the journey [21:02] well, its been great chatting with you but I gotta go! TTYs! [21:02] night [21:02] *** Ashtore (Mibbit@ba5e5519.hsd1.ca.5aa6454b.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:02] Next time [21:02] I am off as well, bedtime!! have a good one all [21:03] Later gator [21:03] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@66fa1b5b.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:06] gonna head out as well [21:06] dinner time here [21:06] nice chatting though :) [21:06] Dine well [21:06] *** Rovena (Mibbit@17fd59c8.dhcp.stls.mo.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:06] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@37bcff35.dhcp.trlk.ca.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] *** Closed channel log for #adf at 09/06/2015 9:48:01 PM