*** Opened channel log for #adf at 07/04/2015 7:20:44 PM [19:52] *** VictoriaLaughlin (Mibbit@a6988d28.res.6ca6ab73.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:53] *** Rovena (Mibbit@6ca5ec9c.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has joined #adf [19:53] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:54] Hello Victoria [19:54] Hi Rovena! I just happened to remember chat was tonight :) [19:55] Cool How are you doing? [19:55] *** Rovena (Mibbit@6ca5ec9c.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has quit IRC [Client Quit] [19:55] I'm good. My husband and I are starting to discuss buying our first home! Exciting stuff. How are you? [19:57] *** Rovena (Mibbit@6ca5ec9c.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has joined #adf [19:58] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [19:59] How are you Rovena? [19:59] Sorry kitten closed my connection with one paw [19:59] :) it happens. My husband and I are discussing buying our first home [19:59] so I'm doing pretty we [19:59] *well [19:59] Neat. It is a big step [20:00] we've been renting for a year, which is pretty impressive for me at least. I've been able to write the checks on time! [20:00] We bought some land and a trailer years ago. It was great when it was paid off [20:00] Nice! [20:01] Someday we'd like to buy some land and build our own house [20:02] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@37bcff35.dhcp.trlk.ca.4e125616.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:02] hi everyone [20:02] Hello trent [20:03] Hi Trent [20:04] [Owlhawk] hello [20:05] Hello Owlhawk [20:05] Hi Owlhawk [20:05] [Owlhawk] wife just saw a fox run through our back yard [20:06] neat [20:06] Cool [20:06] but what did he say? [20:06] :-P [20:07] lol [20:07] [Owlhawk] ? [20:10] So topic anyone? [20:11] stuff [20:13] Actually something my husband and I were discussing earlier led to the question "Do the Gods have free will?" [20:14] [Owlhawk] define free will [20:14] *** Blake-TX (Blake@255b2310.tx.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:15] well we were talking about whether they are obligated to respond to our offerings [20:16] can they choose not to respond, or does reciprocity mean they have to? [20:16] [Owlhawk] you haven't defined free will [20:16] ah... [20:17] I'm not sure how I would define it [20:17] the ability to make one's own choices [20:17] [Owlhawk] always define the terms first. then answer the question [20:18] I don't think they have to respond to us any more than we have to respond to them or to others [20:18] [Owlhawk] Are those choices completely free of influence from others? [20:18] [Owlhawk] or are most actions a response to the actions of others? [20:19] I think I would say that actions are a response [20:20] [Owlhawk] then they are not free of influence from others. Therefore, is it really a free will choice? [20:20] i would say free will comes in when there's a choice of responses and some judgement is necessary to pick one [20:20] hmmm [20:21] and you're allowed to exercise that judgement [20:21] [Owlhawk] \but the influence of others and the obligation due to others is always present [20:21] [Owlhawk] some judgement is not equal to free will [20:21] right, but usually, you can ignore it, in theory...you might not want to though [20:22] i tend to think of it as a range [20:22] [Owlhawk] so too are the Gods tied to us, bu ties of obligation and choice [20:23] okay that makes sense [20:24] [Owlhawk] the web of relationship is not just confined to the human level. It is what reciprocity, in my opinion, is based on [20:24] at least we can always think about our choices and examine them [20:24] [Owlhawk] or have our wives do so for us! [20:24] [Owlhawk] OWIE!!!! [20:25] [Owlhawk] :D [20:25] heh [20:25] What about when the Gods don't seem to respond to our offerings? [20:25] [Owlhawk] how do you know they didn't respond? [20:26] No is an answer [20:26] ah [20:26] But did they choose to say no or is it something else? [20:27] [Owlhawk] What else could it be? [20:27] Like what? [20:28] Um, never mind [20:28] I got myself confused [20:29] [Owlhawk] there is a difference between the Gods looking at the work you have done and saying you need to do more work on this and them not answering. [20:30] yeah [20:30] oh okay [20:31] [Owlhawk] it can be a difficult point to see [20:32] so the Gods do have some free will if they can choose to say no is what I was getting at [20:33] [Owlhawk] If they are beings worthy of worship, then how can they not have free will? [20:33] Why wouldn't the Gods have free will? [20:34] Okay, my thinking is just muddled at this point [20:34] Long day [20:35] Understand that [20:36] i do think that the gods are, while real, of a different kind of reality than we are [20:37] so maybe "free will" doesn't have the same meaning with them [20:37] that's possible [20:37] or linear time [20:37] or causality [20:37] i tend to think of them as more "timeless" than we are [20:38] then again I kinda am influenced by certain RPGs in my thinking [20:38] i was a gamer geek long before I even knew what "paganism" even was [20:38] Many are [20:41] i thought as much :) [20:43] Hello Blake [20:44] Hello Rovena. [20:45] How have you been? [20:45] I have to go. Good night [20:45] Sorry I didn't say anything earlier. I was just following the conversation. [20:45] hi blake [20:45] *** VictoriaLaughlin (Mibbit@a6988d28.res.6ca6ab73.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:45] night victoria [20:45] Been OK, just busy. [20:45] Understand busy [20:49] I work full-time. In addition I've been working my butt off with taking web development courses through a local community college and a website. Everytime I get a call from a recruiter about a job, they always tell me I don't have the experience, never mind I'm taking courses. I just joined a free site where after completing 100 hours of tutorials and exercises, I can then complete 900 hours of doing web development for non-profit companies [20:49] . I might even do some freelance writing work for extra money. The good thing is I'm doing everything from home. The bad thing is I haven't been able to get out that much. :( [20:50] Hopefully the experience will get recognized [20:51] nice [20:52] well, at least the good parts are nice [20:52] heh [20:52] true [20:54] I hope so too. I'm really fed up with recruiters because without experience they're not interested in even looking at any school or personal work I've done or even in testing my knowledge and skills. Last week I got a call and I met all the web development language requirements except for one (and the experience of course). [20:55] *** Rovena (Mibbit@6ca5ec9c.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [20:55] I can't really go to Meetups because of my work experience. At least at Meetups I would be able to get around recruiters... [20:55] *work schedule [20:56] *** Rovena (Mibbit@6ca5ec9c.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has joined #adf [20:56] *** Mode change [+o Rovena] on #adf by ChanServ [20:57] recruiters are pretty clueless, in my experience [20:57] a lot of them have no idea of tech skills and are just looking for the right keywords on a resume [20:58] I agree. And I've even gotten calls from Indian recruiters from my Dice resume, which I've removed recently. [20:58] the trick is to dress up stuff as "experience" [20:58] Yeah I know, but they will check everything out. [20:58] maybe [20:59] but it will get you in the door [20:59] [Owlhawk] ok, I'm off to bed. Good night folks. [20:59] also they don't always check as thoroughly [20:59] like i said, clueless [20:59] :-P [20:59] night owlhawk [21:00] true... [21:01] I may just do freelance writing work while trying to get freelance web development work as well. [21:02] Recruiters are annoying. I hate it when they want me to come in to "meet me" and they have no intention of setting me up with a job... [21:03] In this industry you really have to be Samildanach with experience. [21:03] yep [21:03] anyway, gotta get going myself [21:03] Night [21:03] nice chatting with you [21:04] *** Blake_ (Blake@255b2310.tx.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [21:04] Next time [21:04] got kicked off :( [21:04] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@37bcff35.dhcp.trlk.ca.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:04] It happens a lot tonight. I was three times [21:05] I saw that [21:06] *** Rovena (Mibbit@6ca5ec9c.6ca5f07f.72.170.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:06] To say that trying to switch careers nowadays is a pain would be too much of an understatement. [21:07] I think chat tonight has ended for all intents and purposes. 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