*** Opened channel log for #adf at 16/12/2014 7:41:16 PM[19:41] Hello [19:41] I see Alusa is back [19:41] hihi [19:42] Hello Trent [19:42] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@93581b89.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [19:42] Hello Sara [19:42] hello :) [19:42] how is everyone [19:42] ? [19:43] Bummed Former coworker crossed over [19:43] I'm sorry :( [19:43] im all right [19:44] that sucks :( [19:44] That is good Trent [19:44] How are you Sara? [19:46] I am excellent :) trying to figure out what my kiddo wants, but other than that very well [19:47] That is always the question, isn't it [19:47] [Owlhawk] congratulations Sara. that was a great picture of you and Kirk [19:47] it is, and she's currently whining instead of asking [19:48] thanks Owlhawk!! I think the picture captured the moment well :) [19:48] what moment? [19:49] my ordination Trent :0 [19:49] :) [19:50] Hubby just found a piece of dried vine to make the second tusk out of [19:52] tusk for what Rovena? [19:52] awesome :) [19:52] paper mache boar's head offering for ancestors at Yule [19:52] nice! [19:53] It burnt well last year so we are repeating it this year [19:53] very neat [19:57] So what is everyone else up to? [19:58] just hangin for now [19:58] [Owlhawk] watching the leafs game [19:58] for Yule? ritual with the grove on Sunday and just dong the Yule along at home [19:58] good evening [19:58] tonight, just relaxing after work. I'm probably going to go to be early too [19:58] Welcome [19:58] [Owlhawk] for yule, i'm not sure yet [19:59] hello [19:59] How are you tonight, Alusa? [19:59] i might be going to 2 different yule rituals in one day [20:00] doing good just a bit tired [20:00] i didnt get much sleep last night [20:00] one is ADF, one is eclectic Wiccan [20:00] *** Alusa-ICTX_ (Alusa@a1dfcdb2.dsl.skt2ca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has left #adf [Leaving...] [20:00] *** Alusa-ICTX_ (Alusa@a1dfcdb2.dsl.skt2ca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:00] Sorry to hear that [20:00] *** MattSeneca (Matt@14055a92.14055a55.76.3.imsk) has joined #adf [20:00] thats ok im just gonna hang in for this weekend [20:01] Sounds fun, Trent [20:01] Hello Matt [20:01] anyone got something planned for the holidays? [20:02] Hello! [20:02] hi [20:03] Protogrove's ritual is Saturday [20:06] I'm planning on doing a ritual on the 21st with the family [20:06] I was supposed to work but they decided to close the plant I was providing security for so I chose to take it as a sig [20:07] *n [20:07] Sorry the plant closed [20:09] At least you get the holiday off [20:12] Oh no...just for the day [20:12] I get the opportunity to gain overtime pay by working there [20:13] [Owlhawk] that's not so bad then. and I agree, it's a good indication that you should be going to ritual [20:13] Good deal [20:13] It's not so bad...I still have 50hrs of OT planned for next month [20:13] *** LeesaKern (Mibbit@361c28b6.insight.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:13] whew thats a lot [20:13] peeps [20:13] congratulations sara! [20:13] Hello Leesa [20:13] I sit in a Three story tower [20:13] [Owlhawk] hello. [20:14] thank you Leesa! [20:14] nothing really happens so its easy money and I get to read my Dedicant program books [20:14] howdy rovena, howdy owlhawk [20:14] Hello! [20:14] hello matt [20:14] At least you get to use your time [20:16] I can't complain about it at all! It's how I was able to brave In Search of the Indo-Europeans [20:16] haha, brave is an apt word for that book [20:16] Now that is brave! [20:17] [Owlhawk] That's still on my to be read pile upstairs [20:17] hi leesa [20:17] hi trent [20:17] I keep it about for reference, but I don't really ever want to read it again [20:17] In search of the IEs is doable if you read it in Leonard Nimoy voice [20:17] lol [20:17] Love the idea! [20:17] [Owlhawk] can't be any worse then War and Peace was [20:18] lol I did read it in several voices! [20:18] I have a lot of accents I can use...it's somewhat entertaining [20:18] I was a little disappointed at the end though [20:19] The fairy princess did find her missing crown [20:19] wait for the sequel [20:20] heh [20:21] Without a final conclusion it felt almost unworthwhile [20:22] but it helped me understand how the cultures are really connected [20:22] but yes it would be comparable to dry granola [20:22] or rice cakes [20:22] hehehe. I'm used to reading that stuff. I liked it. [20:23] I think that my biggest complaint of the book was that it is older and most likely out of date by this point [20:24] so much has been found in the past 30 years, I just wish there was an updated book [20:25] I can understand that [20:25] we should have a guild that kind of looks out for that stuff and proposes it...hmmmm..... [20:25] probably something the Scholar's guild should take up [20:25] I do wonder when the last book was put on the Recommended Reading list though, and how we determine if it should be updated though [20:25] :) [20:26] it's probably been a while since the list updated [20:26] On a separate note anyone heard of a book called The living goddesses by marija gimbutas? [20:26] most of the study programs need some updated recommended reading for sure [20:27] not that one [20:27] I know lots of gimbutus' work was discredited in anthropological circles a while back [20:27] I looked on the other list of further reading and there's books from the seventies on it...still interesting though [20:28] hmmm that's unfortunate. I found it at the library and decided to look into it [20:28] the think with anthro books, especially the archaeology and bio anthro......they update a lot as new things are found [20:28] the cultural, not as much....but the others definitely do [20:28] I'm taking a small walk into the Jungian world right now [20:28] [Owlhawk] Archetypes? [20:29] The problem with the cultural arena is the fluff mixed in so well [20:29] Not so much the archetyes but "imaginal psychology" as it is called [20:29] Matt, her work seems to be fairly good scholarly, just her theories disproven (not sure if all were, but some at least) [20:29] they key to that is look for things pulbished by university presses [20:30] in cultural anthropology? [20:30] [Owlhawk] Gimbutas is good for her academic speciality. It's her goddess work that is complete and total crap7 [20:30] I'll keep it in mind [20:30] yah, her matriarchal moether culture stuff is not supported. [20:30] I don't feel that cultural anthro is fluffy [20:30] discernment and all that [20:30] *** ErinP (Mibbit@36921445.dsl.282eb7d8.ca.hmsk) has joined #adf [20:30] there are good non-university press to, but U-presses will get you that peer reviewed stuff [20:31] Hello hello [20:31] I didn't feel fluffy when I taught it :) [20:31] Hi erin! [20:31] [Owlhawk] With Jung, his Archetypes can be interesting to explore. i don't now much about his imaginal psych [20:31] Hi leesa [20:31] I misunderstood. I meant the cultural specialty books. Like the ones you'd read for a hearth culture. [20:31] Hello EWrin [20:31] Hello [20:31] Hi owlhawk, Robena [20:31] [Owlhawk] hello [20:31] Rovena [20:31] ahh....I was going to say, cultural anthro isn't so fluffy :) [20:32] oh yeah sorry [20:32] even hearth culture stuff, look for u presses [20:32] what Leesa said [20:32] Like books proclaiming theories about the Celts and Druids and Bards and the like [20:32] hi erin [20:32] Ooo anthropology. My undergraduate degree! [20:32] mine too :) [20:32] Hi Trent [20:32] One misspelling deserves another [20:33] that and religious studies...fun times! [20:33] all of mine are sociology, but that meant i got to teach anthro where i am now until we hired an anthropologist. [20:33] I have to admit anthropology has never been one of my immediate interests [20:33] I did physical anthropology tho [20:33] [Owlhawk] I almost switched my major to it [20:33] I love reading stuff about psychology and psychiatrics. The human mind is so delightfully interesting to me [20:33] We're in good company [20:34] cultural was my area, that crossed over into the other major nicely [20:34] :) [20:34] The only things I've even read in anthropology are for the DP [20:34] Also I downloaded Swift Key for my phone, so I should be making less spelling mistakes [20:35] I've read oh so many anthro books :) [20:35] heh, I'm a computer geek...all this history stuff fascinates me but a lot is still somewhat beyond me [20:35] and computers are a mystery to me! we all have our specialties [20:36] I've decided to work my way through the books on the DP list and branch out from there [20:36] all of them? [20:36] As many as I can get my hands on [20:36] I'm very prolific [20:37] But that's a lifetime type goal [20:37] good for you! [20:37] I've read a good bunch of certain sections [20:37] The only reason why I didn't do computer science in university was cause they required colbalt as one of their compulsory courses. [20:37] [Owlhawk] it's not that big a list [20:37] I haven't read The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory: Why an Invented Past Will Not Give Women a Future [20:37] anyone read that one? [20:37] oh gods [20:37] Plus i know there's got to be some decent scholarly books on the Slavic hearth that haven't been "discovered" yet [20:37] cobol [20:37] [Owlhawk] yes, it's a good read [20:37] ai ya [20:38] *shudders* [20:38] Ya that's it, cobol [20:38] [Owlhawk] better then assembly [20:38] Matt, a lot of the info is in native language, that's why we don't have it [20:38] It's in my library system. That'll be my next one [20:38] But the year I graduated they removed it from the list! [20:38] [Owlhawk] I did the Myth book for my dp review [20:38] I love the comparative myth book :) [20:39] and the history of pagan europe [20:39] I used that one for my undergrad thesis [20:39] Yeah, Not too much has been put to english...yet I still think I've found one or two. I just need to get my grubby hands on them [20:39] i have history of pagan europe [20:39] i read it once [20:39] i may re-read it [20:39] Ooo history of pagan Europe. That's cool. [20:39] that's what i used [20:40] I live in a small rural area so it's hard to get them [20:40] I liked it, there were some other decent books I used for my thesis that would cross over to some of the study programs I think [20:40] [Owlhawk] inter library loan [20:40] when I lost my university access I was sad [20:40] Amazon? [20:40] though ILL is decent [20:40] Yeah Owlhawk I just talked to them the other day about that [20:40] I'm waiting for Comparative Mythology right now [20:40] It takes me so long to read a book, I have to own it [20:41] I've read most of the DP list in a few of the hearth cultures, but others not at all. should probably branch out a bit [20:41] depends on the book for me ErinP.....some go fast and others take forever! [20:41] It was funny...the lady who put in the request look at me a little strange at the time. I had all of these "alternative religion" books and was asking for that....don't know what she was thinking [20:42] *** Drum (Mibbit@14055acf.6ca5ecde.73.161.imsk) has joined #adf [20:42] Hehe [20:42] [Owlhawk] hello Drum [20:42] *** Mode change [+o Drum] on #adf by ChanServ [20:42] hey Drum [20:42] Hi Drum [20:42] Hello :) [20:42] right now I have my eyes on clergy courses so I'm trying to be as well versed in all areas that I can [20:42] Hello Drum [20:43] Hello Drum [20:43] How is every one? [20:43] Sounds good, Matt [20:43] [Owlhawk] good, yourself? [20:43] doing well! [20:43] Good, thank you [20:43] Matt, that's always a good idea [20:44] Oh owlhawk, Lisa got nominated for RD again, as did I. If she runs I'm just gonna bow out cause there's no way I'd win again her. [20:44] [Owlhawk] alright [20:44] I'll just go for scribe in my own grove [20:46] hi drim [20:46] er, drum :) [20:46] Hello, Leesa [20:46] lol [20:46] sorry, knitting :) [20:46] Drim the Grim [20:46] quick question...was there ever an Anglo-Saxon kin or is that just the Kin of Fire and Ice?? [20:46] :D [20:46] and kitten wrangling [20:47] Ah, kittens! [20:47] i THINK there was an attempt at one? but mostly it's all norse [20:47] AS is part of the fire and ice [20:47] yes drum....one 7 months and one 5 months. [20:47] clealry i am insane. only one was planned [20:47] :) [20:47] the other one i found in a storm sewer while jogging [20:47] thank you [20:48] hi drum [20:48] Hello, Trent [20:49] Leesa, that is awesome of you for rescuing them; thank you [20:49] the awesome part was successfully getting columbus pd to come out and help me :) THAT was no small feat [20:49] [Owlhawk] Leesa, you're friends with us. that alone says you're insane! [20:50] true that [20:50] heh [20:52] that de-escalated quickly lol [20:54] heh [20:55] Trying to get my grove to see The Hobit. [20:56] oh fun! I want to see....I'll be shocked if I make it to the theater though [20:56] [Owlhawk] we're going to wait until I can find it online. then we'll watch it at home...or on my dad's 56' lcd.... [20:56] Like herding cats [20:56] [Owlhawk] your grove isn't that bad... [20:56] We do a lot of that [20:56] I was hoping to see it in IMax [20:56] as a former seniro druid....pick a date. [20:57] I did. [20:57] okay :) [20:57] you will drive yourself crazy trying to pelase everyone [20:57] lol isn't that truth Leesa! [20:57] Just gotten no reply yet. Think I'm gonna make an event in Fb. [20:58] I'd rather watch it at home with the fam [20:58] i saw the first hobbit movie, wasn't very impressed [20:59] so I can explain all the tidbits the film misses [20:59] i loved many parts of it [20:59] [Owlhawk] they're good. my nephews love them [20:59] i hated others [21:00] [Owlhawk] they're much better then the 1970's version [21:00] overall I liked it [21:00] the LotR movies got it right pretty much [21:00] but i feel the Hobbit movies are just milking it too much [21:01] One member won't reply to any event on fb cause of her family.. Another isn't even on fb, our senior druid won't attend cause it costs money and he'd have to take a bus there... Our old senior druid never replies to our events, and the rest of the pack are pretty much Mia [21:01] there is that [21:01] well yeah when the war of the five armies is part of the last movie and that had nothing to do with the Hobbiit [21:01] [Owlhawk] the book ends with the battle of the five armies, so how does it have nothing to do with the hobbit? [21:02] That's why I'm frustrated with my grove. [21:02] I try organizing things with no success [21:03] my bad...no excuse on that one [21:04] brb....stormageddon dark mistress of all too into my yarn [21:04] 0-0 end of the 2nd, jay [21:04] Well I'm gonna go to bed. [21:04] [Owlhawk] that's a good score against Detroit [21:04] Night guys / gals [21:04] [Owlhawk] good night Erin [21:05] Night owlhawk [21:05] *** ErinP (Mibbit@36921445.dsl.282eb7d8.ca.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:05] Night Erin [21:05] night [21:05] Night! [21:06] good night erin [21:06] [Owlhawk] Leafs are 2- 1 with 3mins left in the 2nd [21:06] Detroit, eh? [21:07] [Owlhawk] columbus has them tonight. we beat them last week, I think it was [21:10] indeed :) [21:12] my boys are on a win streak *fingers crossed* [21:12] [Owlhawk] I completely understand the fingers crossed, and the contemplation of magical workings to help the team...afterall, I'm a Leafs fan! [21:14] ;) [21:21] My, we did get quiet or is everyone watching the game? [21:21] [Owlhawk] Drum, Sara, Kayley says hello. [21:21] heh i don't really watch sports [21:21] Hello, Kayley! [21:22] No, I am downloading a file and was distracted. [21:22] hi!! [21:22] [Owlhawk] it's only 458mb or so... [21:22] Is distracted chatting as dangerous as distracted driving? [21:23] *** Drum (Mibbit@14055acf.6ca5ecde.73.161.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:23] *** Drum (Mibbit@14055acf.6ca5ecde.73.161.imsk) has joined #adf [21:23] *** Mode change [+o Drum] on #adf by ChanServ [21:24] back [21:24] [Owlhawk] front [21:24] left! [21:24] it was intermission so i did the dishes :) [21:25] [Owlhawk] lol. our dishwasher broke, so we're doing them by hand again [21:25] is there a topic tonight? [21:25] [Owlhawk] nope. [21:26] I miss my dishwasher [21:26] [Owlhawk] so does Kayley. I'm under orders to get it fixed asap [21:27] mine is full and the chicken pan has to be odne by hand anyway [21:27] the one at this house just never worked well....though the plumbing here is bad anyways [21:28] [Owlhawk] that's not good [21:28] we just got ours fixed here [21:29] it still doesn't work super well but it's better than it was [21:29] [Owlhawk] our needs a new door seal on the bottom of the door [21:31] *** MattSeneca (Matt@14055a92.14055a55.76.3.imsk) has quit IRC [] [21:32] yikes [21:32] trent, matt, where are you from? [21:32] i guess matt left [21:32] i live in california now [21:33] <--observant [21:33] originally from new jersey [21:33] I think Matt is from OK and living in FL or the other way round [21:33] he's in FL? [21:34] Or he is from FL; I just don't remember. [21:34] [Owlhawk] I don't remember Sara. [21:34] ahh [21:35] [Owlhawk] it's painful to think of the land of no snow...:D [21:35] [Owlhawk] :D [21:35] what!?! what is snow??? ') [21:35] ;) [21:35] [Owlhawk] we so need to ship you some [21:35] oh my gods... [21:35] did we ever decide who the hockey gods were jay? [21:36] [Owlhawk] no we didn't. Leafs just scored! [21:36] we just almost did. fantastic play, but there's a stupid goaltender in teh way [21:36] [Owlhawk] Hermes maybe for Hellenic, maybe Heracles [21:36] [Owlhawk] lol [21:37] lugh for hte celts. he can do everything else :) [21:37] [Owlhawk] but, however they are, we really need to get them to stop being mad with the Leafs [21:37] [Owlhawk] good poi t [21:37] [Owlhawk] pint [21:37] heh [21:37] [Owlhawk] point [21:37] anyway [21:37] time to make dinner [21:38] [Owlhawk] 4 - 1 [21:38] [Owlhawk] enjoy [21:39] *** TrentDirenna (Mibbit@37bcff35.dhcp.trlk.ca.4e125616.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:40] so every time Daphne does something of questionable goodness, she gets this little smile and says in her sweetest voice "sorry mommy!" [21:41] [Owlhawk] lmao. that kid is great [21:41] [Owlhawk] and a quick learner! [21:41] I definitely prefer that to whinging! [21:41] she is smart :) [21:42] you've won your cup. let us have one first [21:42] [Owlhawk] NO!!!!!! [21:42] [Owlhawk] they haven't won in my life time, the fact that they are still second or third all time is irrelevant! [21:44] how old are you? [21:44] [Owlhawk] 41 [21:45] still plenty of time [21:45] :) [21:45] Definitely. Just a kid yet [21:45] [Owlhawk] I'm wanting to see it happen, at least partly to see the rioting in Toronto [21:45] [Owlhawk] lol [21:46] [Owlhawk] the nephews and the nieces don't agree with you on that part [21:46] My great nieces and nephews probably think the same about me [21:48] [Owlhawk] my nephews are planning on going to KG with us next summer....their reaction to seeing pagans in their natural enviroment should be funny [21:49] That should be good [21:49] [Owlhawk] especially since they have grown up in a conservative area [21:50] what is KG? [21:50] [Owlhawk] Kaleidoscope Gathering. It's held at Raven's Knoll at Lughnasadh. I encourage one and all to come join us [21:50] [Owlhawk] Out side Ottawa. [21:52] One of these days, I will. I love Raven's Knoll [21:52] *** Alusa-ICTX_ (Alusa@a1dfcdb2.dsl.skt2ca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Read error: Connection reset by peer] [21:52] i need to get my passport first, then I am totally all up in all y'all's bidness :) [21:52] *** Alusa-ICTX (Alusa@81b1ef91.dsl.skt2ca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [21:52] [Owlhawk] go get it [21:52] [Owlhawk] it is a very special place. [21:53] we had all the stuff, and then i got my picture taken and i hated it [21:53] [Owlhawk] We go there for Beltaine as well. [21:53] [Owlhawk] it's only a passport photo [21:53] i've only ever been to toronto, to see the HoF and Rush :) [21:54] I've never been to Canada. [21:54] [Owlhawk] I remember going to Maple Leaf Gardens for a game with my cousin as a teenager. it was awesome [21:54] I want to go though :) [21:54] [Owlhawk] We have snow Sara [21:54] Night all. Last one out, lock up. [21:54] you have Anne of Green Gables! [21:54] [Owlhawk] good night [21:54] *** Alusa2 (Alusa@81b1ef91.dsl.skt2ca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has joined #adf [21:54] *** Alusa2 is now known as Alusa-ICTX_ [21:54] *** Rovena (Mibbit@14055b31.6ca5ec7e.174.33.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [21:54] [Owlhawk] Kayley completely agrees with you Sara, and intends to force me to go to PEI for that reason [21:55] I want to go to PEI! [21:55] [Owlhawk] She's been once. apparently that wasn't enough [21:55] of course, I'm sure i"d be disappointed, since i've been imagining it for ages [21:55] [Owlhawk] Kayley says you won't be. she's been and wants to go back [21:56] ok good :) [21:56] it was a REALLY bad picture :) [21:56] [Owlhawk] all passport photos are really bad [21:57] *** Alusa-ICTX (Alusa@81b1ef91.dsl.skt2ca.3e6fd2e2.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] [21:57] Hey, Owlhawk, who are the two Alusas? [21:58] [Owlhawk] I'm not sure....I suspect Alusa has been kicked out by the program and then logged back in before the name is removed from the list. [22:00] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand overtime [22:00] [Owlhawk] Detriot has done that a lot recenty [22:01] Overtime or get kicked out of the program? ;) [22:02] yeah it's like our 4-5 one in a row [22:02] we appear to have a better OT record [22:02] hhah drum :) [22:02] both :) [22:02] Well, 10 o'clock, time for me to vamoose. Nice chatting with everyone [22:02] Have a good evening [22:02] nighty nigth drum [22:02] night Drum! [22:02] [Owlhawk] good night [22:02] I'm getting out of here too....work in the morning [22:02] night everyone! [22:02] [Owlhawk] good night Sarta [22:02] [Owlhawk] Sara [22:03] *** Drum (Mibbit@14055acf.6ca5ecde.73.161.imsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:03] *** SaraKBlackwelder (Mibbit@93581b89.tampfl.fios.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:04] night sarah [22:04] hrm, so this doesn't notify when someone has left huh [22:05] [Owlhawk] hunh. mine does. I'm using vIRC [22:05] [Owlhawk] so I can keep the log [22:05] i'm using mibbit. and you're a mod [22:05] [Owlhawk] true [22:05] [Owlhawk] mibbit gets weird some days [22:09] man both goaltenders deserve to be stars of the game [22:11] aaaaaaaaaaaaaand shootout [22:11] [Owlhawk] Howard is only starting to be widely appreciated for the years of fantastic work he has put in [22:13] crap. 1-0 wrong direction [22:13] make that....1-1 :) [22:14] [Owlhawk] 6 - 2. making us 10-1-1 this month apparently [22:14] WOOOOOOT! [22:15] 2-1 right way :) [22:15] lol sorry i had a connection program earlier [22:15] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTT!!! [22:15] :) :) :) :) [22:15] sorry alusa...hockey joy has erupted [22:15] [Owlhawk] columbus won I gather [22:17] they did indeed [22:17] bobrovsky DE-NIED zetterberg [22:17] okay....now i'm going to bed happy [22:17] goodnight jay, alusa [22:17] good night LeesaKern [22:17] [Owlhawk] good night. glad both our teams won [22:17] *** LeesaKern (Mibbit@361c28b6.insight.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has quit IRC [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] [22:17] [Owlhawk] I'm off to bed as well. good night *** Closed channel log for #adf at 16/12/2014 10:18:20 PM