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[19:58] <rovena> Hello Owlhawk
[19:58] [Owlhawk] hello
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[19:58] <rovena> Hello Sara
[19:58] <SaraKBlackwelder> Good evening all!
[19:58] [Owlhawk] 'ello?
[19:58] [Owlhawk] !
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[20:06] <RobHenderson> Looks like the Firefox IRC plugin works.  Hi all!
[20:06] <Brendan> Hi Rob
[20:06] [Owlhawk] Good to know, hello Rob
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[20:06] <RobHenderson> The Mibbit client on the Web site stopped working for me a few weeks ago.
[20:07] [Owlhawk] it's been odd since I started using it. I'm using Visual IRC so I can log the chats.
[20:10] <Brendan> So what is everyone up to tonight?
[20:10] [Owlhawk] Watching the last World Cup match from this afternoon that I didn't see. CBC has them available to see.
[20:11] <RobHenderson> Watching a documentary on PBS about the Freedom Summer, and not doing my homework.  >8)
[20:11] [Owlhawk] since they are showing the NHL awards instead of the game they advertised@!
[20:11] <RobHenderson> Ivory Coast-Greece was the better match, certainly.
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[20:11] <rovena> Hello
[20:12] <Brendan> Hi rovena
[20:12] [Owlhawk] It was wonderful. I loved watching it, especially as a Hellenic!
[20:12] <RobHenderson> I was going to comment on how none of the teams qualifying from the first four groups were from Europe, and they had to go and invalidate the statement.  >8)
[20:13] <RobHenderson> Though I forgot the Netherlands as well.
[20:13] [Owlhawk] lol
[20:15] [Owlhawk] I'm disappointed in England's performance, but not surprised. This looks to be an America's World Cup.
[20:16] [Owlhawk] Although Germany might slip in there...
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[20:16] <RobHenderson> Hi Drum!
[20:16] <rovena> Hello Drum
[20:16] <Drum> Hello!!!
[20:16] <RobHenderson> Yep, the home hemisphere advantage.
[20:17] <ImBoden> and everyone starts coming in.  Hello all.
[20:17] <Brendan> Howdy Drum
[20:17] <Drum> :D
[20:17] [Owlhawk] hello Drum
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[20:17] <Drum> Hello, Owlhawk! and everyone. How are you all?
[20:18] [Owlhawk] Good. Drinking a glass of Loki
[20:18] <ImBoden> having a lazy tuesday on a shortened work week.  yay for forced vacation.
[20:18] [Owlhawk] lol
[20:18] <ImBoden> it was either book them, or have them booked for me.  so i'm off until sunday
[20:19] <Brendan> finished my homework and getting ready to curl up with "The Festival of Lughnasa" by Màire MacNeill
[20:19] <Drum> Oooo
[20:19] [Owlhawk] You could have booked so you could go to KG ImBoden...
[20:19] <ImBoden> yeah, should have.
[20:19] [Owlhawk] I'm currently taking 5 cases, that might go up...
[20:19] <SaraKBlackwelder> Ok, finishing up work.....is how is everyone tonight?
[20:19] [Owlhawk] and you definitely should
[20:19] <ImBoden> but also this gives me a chance to reset my sleep schedule for Thursday when i have info session and aptitude testing for Toronto Transit Commission
[20:20] [Owlhawk] lol
[20:20] [Owlhawk] good luck with that. 
[20:20] <ImBoden> Nothing like being in Toronto for 07:30, when i'm normally 2-3 hours into my sleep
[20:20] <ImBoden> thanks
[20:20] <RobHenderson> I can see that being an issue.
[20:23] <SaraKBlackwelder> so what is everyone working on?  how was the solstice for you?
[20:23] [Owlhawk] quiet. I forgot to get anything ready, so had a quiet weekend.
[20:24] <RobHenderson> Nice ritual and nice weather, just sad we only had ten people show up.
[20:24] <Brendan> Solstice was pretty great. I clicked with the Nature Spirits big time for the first time ever and wrapped up my last COoR rite for the DP.
[20:25] [Owlhawk] althought I got given a computer system today!
[20:26] [Owlhawk] well done Brendan
[20:26] <SaraKBlackwelder> I am usually happy about 10 people showing up to our rituals :)
[20:26] <Drum> My Solstice was excellent! I spent it with Shining Lakes Grove :)
[20:26] <SaraKBlackwelder> good job Brendan!
[20:26] <Drum> We had 10 really good people!
[20:26] <SaraKBlackwelder> we had 9 at ours and the majority were guests!  cool thing is one lady joined up ADF the next day, so hopefully she will like it here :)
[20:27] <Brendan> Thanks!
[20:27] <Drum> Excellent Sara!
[20:28] <SaraKBlackwelder> I was pretty happy she felt like it would be a good fit for her. And I LOVE guests coming to ritual
[20:30] <Drum> I am blessed to have a grove so close by. I remembe5r many years of solo rituals, which were fine as well
[20:31] <Brendan> After talking to Rob and Drum I am pretty excited to check out SLG myself. I've been a solo pagan for way too long.
[20:31] [Owlhawk] Solo rituals are the norm for me, I only get group rits at fests.
[20:31] <SaraKBlackwelder> I enjoy having a group to meet up with for ritual on the High Days.  I'm not the solitary type myself though....like people too much!
[20:31] <Drum> Yay1
[20:32] <Drum> Me too, Sara
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[20:34] <Drum> What kind of omens do you take on your high days, folks?
[20:34] <RobHenderson> !Bienvenidos!
[20:34] [Owlhawk] I'm still using Runes as I have yet to make a Greek Alphabet Oracle...
[20:35] <rovena> Got Twilight from the Ninefold Oracle
[20:35] <SaraKBlackwelder> we did runes, because that's what I am best with (yes Drum I actually did it!!!) and we had overall good omens
[20:36] [Owlhawk] Good for you Sara. I'm still figuring out how to read the omen
[20:36] <Drum> Yay!
[20:37] <SaraKBlackwelder> Gebo was the acceptance of the sacrifices, and the blessings were Hagalaz from Shining Ones, Algiz from Ancestors, and Jera from Nature Spirits...the Hagalaz was interesting, I interpreted as it being about a destruction and refining of ourselves and the group (lots of us have been having rough times) but that we will be protected and...
[20:37] <SaraKBlackwelder> will harvest the rewards of our perseverance.  We just need to stand strong and keep plugging away.  :)  I feel that is always a good reminder
[20:38] <Brendan> I usually stick with ogham.
[20:39] <Drum> Ogham here too
[20:40] <Brendan> I just got a Yew set from Caitlin that I use for Ancestor work and I have a Manzanita set she made for me that I use for most High Days.
[20:40] [Owlhawk] I'm still working on moving from the book interpetation of each rune to an acutal reading form, for example, 3 runes.
[20:41] <SaraKBlackwelder> I'm shocked that I have even been able to learn how to read the runes as much as I do.....it is a major improvement, though there is still room for lots of improvement!
[20:41] [Owlhawk] that never ends Sara
[20:42] [Owlhawk] I used, long ago, to be able to read Tarot...no more. 
[20:43] <RobHenderson> I sometimes surprise myself with how much tarot I remember.
[20:44] <Drum> :)
[20:44] [Owlhawk] I haven't tried since about 1995 or 1996...
[20:45] [Owlhawk] I would have to start over again
[20:45] <Brendan> I tried Tarot and Runes but they just didn't click. I found an Ogham set on Etsy and the second I held them in my hand I knew it was the right thing for me.
[20:46] [Owlhawk] Fantastic to hear. that's a rare thing, I've found. most people need to try multiple systems
[20:46] <Drum> Excellent, Brendan
[20:46] <treeblood> 'Ello, all
[20:47] [Owlhawk] 'ello treeblood\
[20:47] <treeblood> How's you this week?
[20:48] <SaraKBlackwelder> I tried tarot, and looked at ogham a bit, but runes are what clicked for me
[20:48] [Owlhawk] I was given a computer system today, printer, sound... for nothing!
[20:49] <Drum> Excellent, Owlhawk!
[20:49] <Brendan> That's awesome Owlhawk
[20:50] [Owlhawk] Lady from Kayley's church. She got a laptop, and is downsizing from a 3 bedroom house to a one bedroom condo, so I got the desktop system. Kayley claimed the printer for her laptop already...
[20:50] [Owlhawk] I cleaned up her new laptop, including, assuming all went well after I left, removing some malware she had as thanks.
[20:52] [Owlhawk] She acutually asked me what she owed me, even after she gave me a full system! That's why I aim my business at seniors!
[20:52] <RobHenderson> Nice!
[20:52] <Drum> Very nice
[20:53] [Owlhawk]  A  Really nice lady, and a friend of my mom and dad's, as they share the same church as the wife.
[20:54] <SaraKBlackwelder> so what is everyone working on between the High Days?
[20:55] <treeblood> Me, I've got the entire month of July off and I'm looking to finish a 120,000 word manuscript.
[20:56] <treeblood> I've got about 75,000 words left.
[20:56] [Owlhawk] good work. hope you have a good editor!
[20:56] <treeblood> It's well outlined, so I'm not too worried.
[20:56] <SaraKBlackwelder> great!
[20:56] <treeblood> Not as of yet, but I hope so. :)
[20:56] <treeblood> Shooting for Tor.
[20:56] <Brendan> I am working on putting a script together for my Dedicant Oath for Lughnasadh.
[20:57] <rovena> Trying to keep lessons interesting for my protogrove and work on my DP
[20:58] <SaraKBlackwelder> what kind of lessons do you do Rovena?
[20:59] <rovena> Everything.  My husband is starting a series of meditations, this coming week is ancestor veneration.
[20:59] <SaraKBlackwelder> very cool!
[20:59] <rovena> Try to have a variety of things to rotate so people don't get bored
[21:00] <Drum> ;0
[21:00] <Drum> :)
[21:00] <SaraKBlackwelder> I want to get the locals together more often.  Everyone is always so busy, it's hard to make it so
[21:01] <rovena> We meet weekly and most make it every week
[21:02] <SaraKBlackwelder> do you meet in a public place?
[21:02] <rovena> Yes. the local U U church
[21:02] <rovena> I am a member there so we get it for free
[21:03] <SaraKBlackwelder> that would be easier
[21:03] <rovena> About once a quarter we have to meet elsewhere as it gets rented out
[21:04] <rovena> Yes a public meeting place is ideal but very hard to come by
[21:05] <RobHenderson> Public is easy, it's public and affordable that's hard.  >8)
[21:05] <rovena> Public isn't easy down here.  Most won't allow pagan groups at any price
[21:06] <SaraKBlackwelder> so true.....the public and affordable is tough.  I'm thinking of the library or a Panera or something
[21:06] <SaraKBlackwelder> that's also true Rovena.  We are lucky in that we are in a urban area, if I were a bit further in the country it might be more difficult
[21:07] <RobHenderson> I can understand that.
[21:08] <RobHenderson> In Ann Arbor, everyone is so obsessed about appearing to be multicultural and pro-diversity, even the churches will went space to us.
[21:08] <rovena> We can't keep a pagan shop open
[21:09] [Owlhawk] I don't dare even try in Grey and Bruce Counties. Most of them up here have never heard of Paganism outside of the bible.
[21:11] <rovena> The only thing we can take part in is World Religion Day but even then the local news media won't show us on the news
[21:13] <rovena> Christian prayer is still come at government and school functions
[21:13] <SaraKBlackwelder> oh yea, prayer is big around here at school functions for sure
[21:14] [Owlhawk] same here.
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[21:16] <RobHenderson> I'm off, in an attempt to at least start my homework.  Night all!
[21:16] <rovena> Night Rob
[21:16] [Owlhawk] good luck! good night!
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[21:17] <Drum> Night, Rob!
[21:18] <Drum> Well, my pager wants me to call work...talk to you all later!
[21:18] <rovena> Night Drum
[21:18] [Owlhawk] good night Drum
[21:19] <SaraKBlackwelder> night Drum
[21:21] [Owlhawk] so, next topic?
[21:22] <rovena> Good Question
[21:24] [Owlhawk] Any DP questions?
[21:26] <rovena> Just trying to find the time to do everything.
[21:27] [Owlhawk] lol. that never ends, even after you finish!
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[21:29] <rovena> Yeah, working fulltime, helping with the protogrove, and DP which will be the first of a series of study programs
[21:30] <treeblood> Rovena, where are you from?
[21:31] <treeblood> I'm from Washington County, UT, where Zion National Park resides
[21:31] <rovena> Born and raised in St Louis area but living in NW Louisiana for the last 26 yrs
[21:31] <treeblood> and is the only thing that ensures that caffeine exists in grocery stores and any restaurants survive
[21:31] <treeblood> Ah, okay
[21:32] <treeblood> Yeah, I can see how paganism would be hard to keep alive.
[21:32] <treeblood> *alive there.
[21:32] <treeblood> Poor wording on my part: I can see how it would be hard to have a public group or a pagan store.
[21:32] <rovena> Understood what you meant
[21:32] <treeblood> 80% of the leadership in the county is Mormon even if the population is about 60%
[21:33] <rovena> We have a decent size pagan community but 99% are in the closet
[21:33] <rovena> Scared to be seen any where that might be seen as pagan
[21:33] [Owlhawk] To a certain extent, that is understandable...
[21:34] <rovena> Yes but until we are out of that closet we will never get our rights
[21:35] <treeblood> Aye. Good luck to you there.
[21:36] [Owlhawk] but coming out is still a dangerous move
[21:36] [Owlhawk] some, including me some days, are still cautious  about it
[21:36] <rovena> Especially for people with children
[21:37] <SaraKBlackwelder> it is a concern with children, but we have to start somewhere.  I just try to be the best mom I can and hope no one gets stupid
[21:37] <rovena> I don't shout about my faith but I don't hide it. It took years for me to feel safe in my job and even now most prefer to think of me as U U instead of pagan
[21:38] <rovena> Down here being non-Christian of any type can cost you your kids in a divorce case
[21:38] [Owlhawk] it helps that you are in , what appears to be, a good region Sars.
[21:38] [Owlhawk] Sara
[21:38] <rovena> Lwayers ate always sending their non-religious clients to U U wile custody is pending
[21:39] <rovena> ate = are
[21:39] [Owlhawk] Until I joined ADF I had never heard of UU.
[21:39] <SaraKBlackwelder> well, somewhat.  it does depend on exactly where you are
[21:39] <SaraKBlackwelder> ok, I'm beat. have a good night all!
[21:39] <rovena> Good Night Sara
[21:39] [Owlhawk] Good night Sara, Kayley says hello and good night as well.
[21:40] <SaraKBlackwelder> *waves hi* night!
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[21:40] [Owlhawk] *Thank you*
[21:44] <rovena> I need to run as well.  Take care until we meet again.
[21:45] [Owlhawk] good night rovena
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[21:45] [Owlhawk] alright, next topic???
[21:50] [Owlhawk] ANYONE????
[21:50] <treeblood> Hmm...
[21:51] <treeblood> Sorry, I'm in and out due to chores at home
[21:51] <treeblood> I work long shifts the next seven days x_x
[21:51] <treeblood> What spirits do you interact with, Owlhawk?
[21:52] [Owlhawk] I'm mainly Hellenic in focus, and Deity focused at that, so Zeus, Hera, Deo, Aphrodite, Athena, 
[21:52] <treeblood> Mm, gotcha.
[21:53] <treeblood> I have a friend named Conor in the DFW area who's a part of Hellenion, awesome guy
[21:53] <treeblood> Me, I've got three triads (Norse, British Isles, and Vedic) thanks to UPG
[21:53] <treeblood> as well as a range of spirits both personal and local.
[21:55] [Owlhawk] I don't tend to work with individual spirits so much as the Theoi.  They are my primary focus. 
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[22:07] *** Raggiedmon is now known as Liath
[22:07] [Owlhawk] hello liath
[22:08] <Liath> Hello
[22:10] [Owlhawk] Do you have any questions
[22:10] [Owlhawk] �
[22:10] <treeblood> 'ello, Liath
[22:15] <treeblood> Well, g2g for now
[22:15] <treeblood> Be back in a half hour or so
[22:17] [Owlhawk] good night. I`ll likely be gone by then, but you never know.
[22:17] [Owlhawk] any questions or topics�
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