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Sun Nov 19 2006 7:57pm <avery> hi
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:57pm <AnthonyRThompson> Hey
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:57pm *** avery has set mode #adf: +o AnthonyRThompson
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:57pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Relating to the Dead
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:57pm <AnthonyRThompson> thx
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Sun Nov 19 2006 7:58pm <AnthonyRThompson> I see we have a big crowd here tonight :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:58pm * AnthonyRThompson checks logging
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:58pm <avery> no one's come in all day
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:58pm <AdamJRoy> heh, my first time here, didn't know we had something like this
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:58pm <AnthonyRThompson> Been sitting in the channel all day?
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:59pm <avery> yup
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:59pm <AnthonyRThompson> Well, for the past few years they've allegedly been weekly, but in practice that hasn't happened
Sun Nov 19 2006 7:59pm <avery> anthony: linda says hi
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:00pm <AdamJRoy> Too hard to herd all us cats into one place at the same time, I get it
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:00pm <AnthonyRThompson> I think Vedis said she used to run them before she moved to the UK, but w/ the time diff she hasn't been able to, and no one else picked it up
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:00pm <AnthonyRThompson> Avery, tell her I said Hi back :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:00pm <avery> ive been an irc user for aver 10 years
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:00pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah me too, off and on
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:01pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'm thinking I should have posted the date and time to the web page (http://www.adf.org/forums/irc/)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:01pm <AnthonyRThompson> It's something to do for the future
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:02pm <avery> do you know any druid channels, i havent found any on efnet
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:02pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'll give whoever takes it over edit permission to that page and they can update it w/ the next date
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:02pm <AnthonyRThompson> Nope
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:02pm <AdamJRoy> I was gonna advertise on LiveJournal for tonight and completely spaced it =(
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:02pm <AnthonyRThompson> What's your LJ user?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:02pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'm <lj user="Chirael"> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:03pm <AdamJRoy> earthshaker_adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:03pm <AnthonyRThompson> Though I don't really keep up on it like I used to
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:03pm <avery> adam: i dont think i know you, i'm in the phoenix grove
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:03pm <AdamJRoy> rock on!  The community there has really helped me out.  Solitary here, so it's my only feedback
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:04pm <AnthonyRThompson> Great!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:04pm <AdamJRoy> Nope, you don't know me, just joined up in Sept.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:04pm <AdamJRoy> Pleasure to meet you tho
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:04pm <avery> cool
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:04pm <AnthonyRThompson> You know that you can search for other ADF members using the page at http://www.adf.org/members/org/findmem.html right?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:04pm *** KJPendergraft has joined: #adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm <KJPendergraft> hey, this thing works!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm <avery> well i attend desert magic and wellspring and three realms regularly and others occationally
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> Amazing
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm * KJPendergraft blows dust off of the chatroom
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> Aging technology still holds it together :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm *** KJPendergraft is now known as: Kelly
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm <Kelly> nick KJPendergraft
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm *** Kelly is now known as: KJPendergraft
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> Identity crisis? :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:05pm <KJPendergraft> oops ... someone else has Kelly
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:06pm <AdamJRoy> hey there
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:06pm <AnthonyRThompson> Looks like the Java IRC client still works (yay)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:06pm <KJPendergraft> hey Adam
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:07pm <AdamJRoy> Yeah, I glanced at the find members page, it looks like there's a few within a 50 mile radius.  Central WI here
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:08pm <AdamJRoy> Of course, as soon as I get started on that protogrove there will be more, won't there? ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:08pm <KJPendergraft> That's not too bad. Last I checked there was nobody that close to me.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:08pm <AnthonyRThompson> Of course :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:08pm <AnthonyRThompson> Remember, it only takes 1 person to found a protogrove
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:08pm *** Beth has joined: #adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:09pm <avery> it's a problem in many places is there is no pagan communities of which to form groups
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:09pm <AdamJRoy> And it's an honest goal of mine, as soon as I catch my breath and finish up the DP
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:09pm <avery> for example i have a friend in cumberland maryland and there is nothing for her to goto
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:09pm <AnthonyRThompson> Welcome, Beth :
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:09pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <AdamJRoy> Yeah, that's a big issue, not too many open pagans around, I have to do some hunting
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <KJPendergraft> Heyla, Beth.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm * AnthonyRThompson catches up on the ADF community on LJ (http://community.livejournal.com/adf/)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <Beth> Hi.. sorry I'm late, was too busy reading. 
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <avery> go to a college and post some flyers
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <AnthonyRThompson> NP, it's not too busy here anyway :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <AdamJRoy> Heya Beth, yay for reading
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <AnthonyRThompson> Witchvox is a great way to get ppl
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:10pm <avery> like, at asu there's a bunch of weirdoes wandering around looking for something to do
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:11pm <avery> but there's not much organization
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:11pm <AnthonyRThompson> And create a Yahoo group for pagans/druids in your area too
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:11pm <AnthonyRThompson> (or join an existing one)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:11pm <avery> not many with the motivation to start a group
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:11pm <AnthonyRThompson> meetup.com is OK, I guess, though I've never actually had any success w/ it
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:11pm <KJPendergraft> I actually created a Meetup in my area but have yet to be in town long enough to arrange an actual meeting.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:12pm <AnthonyRThompson> LOL, how ironic :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:12pm <AdamJRoy> lol that'd be a requisite
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:12pm <avery> our grove runs the local druid meet-ups and no one comes, we usually get someone by accident
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:12pm <AnthonyRThompson> heh heh
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:12pm <KJPendergraft> I guess I could create a meetup and just tell everyone ... uh ... go meet each other.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:12pm <avery> we've been doing them almost a year and we got like 2-3 members from them
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:12pm <Beth> It seems that paganism attracts individualists, but they're too individual to be able to agree on whether to call the directions or whatever.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, like the non-conformist Goth Kids on South Park :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> "Sure, you can join us non-conformists, as long as you dress like we do and listen to the same music as us" ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:13pm <KJPendergraft> There is a strong Wiccan church in the area so when I start feeling I need some community they let me join in.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:13pm <AdamJRoy> yeah, that's the thing.  I want to start up the group and then have them go away so i can study in solitude.  I need a community to distance myself from, i guess =)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:13pm <avery> and deedra lives in mesa and started a meet up out there and she said 40 people said they would show up and only one did
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:14pm <AdamJRoy> ouch
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> I was e-mailing someone in CT about this earlier today actually
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:14pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Finding other Druids
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> (might as well admit it ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:14pm <AdamJRoy> heh, so much for the dead
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:14pm <KJPendergraft> I keep promising to connect with some ADF'ers while I am traveling.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> There's an ADF member in Pawtucket (probably 20 minutes away from
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> here) who I've e-mailed several times, no response.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> I've also e-mailed members (and former members) in southern Mass,
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> again not that far, and also gotten zero responses.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> However, I HAVE had success "wooing" three ADF members (two of them a
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> couple) who didn't respond initially.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> (done)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> My ultimate point was that people will appear when you and they are ready
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AdamJRoy> perseverance is a virtue =)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> That's why I'm personally not huge on advertising, though I do try to stay on top of new ADF members in the area
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Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <AnthonyRThompson> Other than that, I'd say create a Yahoo/egroup and put something on Witchvox, and then just wait
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm * KJPendergraft waves to Linda
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <Linda> hi
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <AnthonyRThompson> Assuming you don't want to stick your hand up and form a 1-person protogrove of course
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <AdamJRoy> and I'm totally not ready yet as it is, very much a distant goal. Plenty of time to slack
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm * AnthonyRThompson greets Linda :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <AdamJRoy> heya Linda
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <KJPendergraft> How long can a 1-person protogrove maintain its status?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <Linda> Hi
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:16pm <AnthonyRThompson> 3 years
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <AdamJRoy> 3 years, i think
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <AdamJRoy> yeah, what he said
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <AnthonyRThompson> Or more, if the GO can show good cause why the PG status should be extended
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <AnthonyRThompson> (e.g., I've really tried my damnest, but I live in the Bible Belt so I haven't had much luck)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <Beth> Depends on how many personalities you have- one for Sr, one for Sect, one for Treasurer.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <avery> i thought it would be funny to start a protogrove with a funny/embarassing name so when they read all the gorves at the unity rites they'd have to say it
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm * KJPendergraft adds PG thoughts on to-do list right after DP
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <AnthonyRThompson> Not Another Protogrove, ADF
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:17pm <AnthonyRThompson> ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:18pm <AdamJRoy> heh
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:18pm <Linda> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:18pm <KJPendergraft> <Insert Name Here> ProtoGrove
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:18pm <Linda> You don't need a secretary and treasurer for a protogrove
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:18pm <Beth> Oh- that makes it even easier. 
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:19pm <avery> i mean something like "farty stinkypants protogrove"
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> See http://www.adf.org/members/groves/starting/goh/organize-pg.html
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> which is part of the Grove Organizers Handbook at http://www.adf.org/members/groves/starting/goh/
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:19pm <avery> we played ian's solitary ritual at our study group
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:19pm <Beth> Thanks.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:19pm <KJPendergraft> While editing html today I was thinking that ADF should have a Technologists Guild
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:19pm <AdamJRoy> I really want to brush up on my bookeeping and fund-raising skills first, it'd be nice if it didn't crash and burn within the first three weeks
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> Ages ago we used to have something like that
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> The Techno Druids SIG
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> Adam, good idea :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> Though in practice most groves don't excel at fundraising
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <Linda> heh, nor at bookkeeping
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> (True)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <avery> years ago i was in a techno magick group, we did rituals online
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <avery> things like creating group servitors
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:20pm <KJPendergraft> Well I have the advantage of being married to a CPA. So I know where to get help on the bookkeeping front.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <AnthonyRThompson> My grove doesn't keep books, because we don't collect dues, I pay for whatever minor stuff the grove needs, people all bring stuff that's needed, etc.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <AdamJRoy> I kinda like that techno-guild.  W're supposed ot be a little cutting-edge, right?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <Linda> we did that for a long time also
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <AnthonyRThompson> (Though we do have a provision in our bylaws to collect dues, we just agreed it would be $0 for right now :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <Linda> the grove is finally starting to pay for copies and things
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <AnthonyRThompson> I know it's not scalable, but it works for Right Now :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <AdamJRoy> lol tricky tricky
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <avery> really the best techno magick stuff is from erik davis who wrote "techgnosis"
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:21pm <AnthonyRThompson> Online rituals... figured it was just a question of time before that came up ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:22pm <Linda> it might be fun for people who are otherwise solitary
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:22pm <avery> he did some of the original internet/astral plane work
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:22pm <AnthonyRThompson> Actually the ADF-Office mail goes to an e-mail list called ADF-TECH which was, WAY BACK WHEN (mid 1990s) used for the Techno Druids SIG
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:22pm <Linda> wow, I didn't know that
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:22pm <AdamJRoy> procession: logging in as AdamJRoy  Omen:  Windows has encountered a problem...
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:22pm <KJPendergraft> Well, we need to kick that SIG back into operation.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:22pm <AnthonyRThompson> But then that basically went nowhere, so we repurposed the list (at Fox's suggestion, and it was a good one) for the Office
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yep
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <KJPendergraft> Certainly there needs to be prayers and offerings focused on technology.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <Linda> yeah, we call it the tech list ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> Some ADF History for you :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> Check the archives going back to the VERY beginning
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <avery> ive written a few online rituals with different systems
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <KJPendergraft> Of course, most work I do with computers generally involves more cursing than blessing! :D
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> Well, the ADF-WWW list can serve as a rough thing for that, I think
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:24pm <avery> just getting people to participate is tough sometimes
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:24pm <AnthonyRThompson> We've had a few tech discussions there in the past
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:24pm <AnthonyRThompson> To participate *consistently* is the rub
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:24pm <KJPendergraft> Piety!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:24pm <AdamJRoy> yeppers
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:24pm <avery> thing is with techno stuff, it's a lot of expermentation
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:24pm <AnthonyRThompson> True
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> And with ADF,  we basically have little/no budget to spend
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> Which is good in a way
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> Forces us to be frugal/efficient
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <AdamJRoy> lol you're so tactful
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Techno Stuff
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> Thanks :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <KJPendergraft> Is there an easy way to donate to ADF? (e.g. Paypal)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm * AnthonyRThompson says, see, I promised not to be a Topic Nazi
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yes
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> Though it's poorly advertised, I'll admit
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:25pm <Linda> well, it certainly has caused us to be more efficient, I am glad to say
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> My grove doesn't keep books, because we don't collect dues, 
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> oops
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> (bad paste)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> http://www.adf.org/donation-payment.html
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm * KJPendergraft puts ADF on giftmas list
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <Linda> Yeah, it would be cool if we had a paypal button on the home page
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <AdamJRoy> well you're supposed to taste it first to see if it's gone bad or not...
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <avery> "giftmas" hehehehe
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> Might not be a bad idea for the holiday season
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> Though I'd *really* like to see us get regalia.adf.org (shopping cart for Regalia) up soon, for the holidays
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <AdamJRoy> *agrees
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <Linda> yeah, well, it's coming along
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <AnthonyRThompson> (Adam, cute on the bad paste :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <AnthonyRThompson> As fast as a speeding oak ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <avery> can you do ecomerce stuff anthony?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <KJPendergraft> I am still waiting for me "Druids do it in the Woods!" bumper sticker.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <AnthonyRThompson> Sorta; what do you mean by the question though avery?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:27pm <AdamJRoy> I couldn't help it, bad puns are my lifeblood
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:28pm <AnthonyRThompson> I swear I've seen that before
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:28pm <avery> like a store front? shopping cart?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:28pm <AnthonyRThompson> gods help me if I can remember where/when though
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:28pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, it's sort of in progress, see http://regalia.adf.org/
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:28pm <AnthonyRThompson> (site is NOT functional yet - backend setup still ongoing)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:28pm <avery> neat-o
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:28pm <AnthonyRThompson> We as an org could stand to be better at fundraising though
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <Linda> that's for sure
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <avery> there should be a place to submit bumber sticker ideas
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <AnthonyRThompson> Maybe I'll post about the donation page to ADF-Announce soon
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <Linda> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <AnthonyRThompson> For people who like to make end of year donations
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <AnthonyRThompson> I actually strive to have a goal of donating 10% of net income to charities
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <Linda> yeah, and it's tax deductible
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:29pm <AnthonyRThompson> Though in lean years it's ended up being just 1%
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:30pm <AnthonyRThompson> All depends on how much extra (ie disposable) $ there is :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:30pm <AdamJRoy> I think if we tried ot turn the sigs a little more businessy and a little less hobby-ish it could work.  Look at brewing for example, micro brews could get big again
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:30pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Fundraising and money stuff
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:30pm <AnthonyRThompson> Eh, we've had a history of having ideas bigger than our resources though, so we have to be careful
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:30pm <AnthonyRThompson> That, honestly, sounds like that kind of idea
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <avery> our grove makes a lot from doing raffels
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <AdamJRoy> aww, budweiser would never see it coming
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <AnthonyRThompson> Most of our sigs don't have a lot of people, and coordinating money when peolpe are far-flung can be hard
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Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <AnthonyRThompson> But what I *would* like to see is some kind of raffle or yard sale at festivals
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <AnthonyRThompson> Consistently!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <Linda> yeah - they always do raffles at Three Realms
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <AnthonyRThompson> Great!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <Linda> and they had an auction at Summerlands
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <avery> we do raffels and sales all the time at local events
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <AdamJRoy> Kinda like Merchant's Row at SCA events?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:31pm <KJPendergraft> Well after the regalia site gets settled maybe a members auction site.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <AnthonyRThompson> Like groves and solitaries bring books, clothes, etc. to donate to the raffle, and the proceeds go to the sponsoring grove(s) and/or ADF
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <avery> but really raffels make more for us anyway
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <AnthonyRThompson> Sounds a little overambitious, Kelly :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <Linda> we usually do 50/50 splits for our raffles
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <AnthonyRThompson> Cool, who did they auction off at Summerlands, MJD?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <Linda> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <KJPendergraft> Oh? I am sure you are right. I have no idea how that is done behind the scenes.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <avery> linda: that's at the meet-ups, we make more at events where we raffle items
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:32pm <Linda> no - no people at Summerlands - just Three Realms
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <AnthonyRThompson> 50/50 between sponsoring group(s) and ADF, Linda?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <Linda> well, no - we've been doing it as a fundraiser for the grove
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <AnthonyRThompson> I just hesitate to get involved in recreating EBay if we can avoid it :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <avery> 50/50 of the pot
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <Linda> so, the grove gets 50% and the winner gets 50%
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <AnthonyRThompson> Oh, I get it
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <avery> we get half and the winner gets half
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <AnthonyRThompson> yeah
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <avery> well, can adf have a store on ebay?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:33pm <Linda> but we need to start thinking of ways to raise funds for ADF also
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:34pm <AnthonyRThompson> Is the Hospitality SIG supposed to be where festival organizers network, or is that not really one of its explicit purposes?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:34pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'd really like to see us create a FOH
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:34pm <AnthonyRThompson> Festival Organizers Handbook :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:34pm <AdamJRoy> Ohhh good thinking!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:34pm <AnthonyRThompson> Like, REALLY would like to see that :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:35pm <avery> like could members sell their own items thru the adf store on ebay and adf gets the money? like a member donates an item to sell
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> Not a bad idea
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> But we'd have to make sure that the Regalia folk could handle that
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> It would logically be done through Regalia
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> And we'd have to make sure that we have the resources to support that expanded part of Regalia
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> It's a good idea, but if the extra work handling it is going to burn out our Regalia manager, it's something to hold off on for right now
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:36pm <avery> cuz thatls what our grove does with our sales, like we had a swap meet and a couple yard sales and members donated items and the grove got the money
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> It's worth checking into though
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:36pm <AdamJRoy> the ever elusive start-up capital
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> As I said, we (ADF) have a history of having ideas too grand for our resources :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> But you don't want to quash good ideas too fast either; it's a delicate balance
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> A FOH could have a section on fundraising, maybe, and another on doing the Unity Rite
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> Thanks to Kelly, btw, there are a few more examples of the Unity Rite on the website now
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> http://www.adf.org/rituals/general/unity/
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:37pm <KJPendergraft> Makes you wonder if the ancient Druids were better at commerce for some reason.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:37pm <Linda> The ADF=Hospitality list COULD be used for Festivals
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:38pm <Linda> (sorry, catching up here)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> NP
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:38pm <Linda> It was originally to be used for events such as Pantheacon and Starwood
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> Well, I always thought that was one of its primary purposes, how to provide hospitality at festivals like Pantheacon and Starwood
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> I just figured it wasn't meant as a place for festival organizers to support each other explicitly
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> Which is fine, I don't think we need a new list for that
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:38pm <KJPendergraft> How many lists is ADF supporting now?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> Too many!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <avery> are any of you going to pantheacon?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> 60
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <KJPendergraft> 60 lists?!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> (which includes all the private lists like adf-leadership, adf-mg, adf-clergy-council, etc.)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yep
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <AdamJRoy> unlikely atm.  Lack of resorces is limiting my travel
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> And each of them costs somewhere like $20/year
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <KJPendergraft> Great googly-moogly
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:39pm <Linda> and it's all due in December
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yes, but don't pull a Farrell and suggest we have it all on our own server :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <AnthonyRThompson> There's no way I could maintain it - it's worth the money to pay someone ELSE to manage the server and keep it running 100% of the time :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <avery> i think the ancient druids had bake sales
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <KJPendergraft> I would think so.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <Linda> Well, they probably didn't have an organization to support
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <AnthonyRThompson> LOL
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:40pm <Linda> they just did their thing
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <Linda> in fact, they were probably supported completely by the hospitality of the folk
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <KJPendergraft> Dang expensive being a Druid these days! (best old geezer voice)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yes, I can just see it now, "Barticus, the financials aren't looking to good, can we get Elesius to have more bake sales, brother?"
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <Linda> yep
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <Linda> ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <AnthonyRThompson> (too good)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <Beth> It's those gold sickles- they cost a lot even on EBay!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm *** RomanDruid has joined: #adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <KJPendergraft> hey RD!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm <Linda> Hi Jenni!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:41pm * AnthonyRThompson greets RomanDruid
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm <RomanDruid> Hi gang -- sorry I'm late. 
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm <AdamJRoy> lol that's great
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm <AdamJRoy> Hello there /wave
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm <Beth> Hi
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm -> *RomanDruid* If you don't want to do it on IRC, you can skype me at 10pm when the chat's done
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm <KJPendergraft> I have been shopping for sickles on eBay though. Not bad prices.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm <AnthonyRThompson> Reminds me, our Samhain went great, except I mispronounced scythe in one of the key invocations
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:42pm <Linda> really?  I should look.  I want a sickle
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:43pm <avery> it is so rare that i find a ritual tool i really like
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:43pm <AnthonyRThompson> In my own defense at the next grove meeting, I said, well, how often do you hear that word in ordinary conversation, anyway? :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:43pm <KJPendergraft> The kind I really want is a lavender sickle but those are pricey sometimes.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:43pm <Linda> Yeah, I barely know what a scythe is
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:43pm * KJPendergraft actually used one as a young man
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:43pm <KJPendergraft> and they are a good workout for the upper body
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:44pm <AnthonyRThompson> ADFGuest, if you want to change your nickname to your name you can do it with /nick Yourname
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:44pm <AdamJRoy> I feel your pain Anthony.  I usually mumble deities names when speaking aloud, pronunciation is not my specialty
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:44pm <AnthonyRThompson> So, how was everyone's Samhain?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:44pm <Linda> yeah, more than once I have had to go to a gaelic speaker to find out how to pronounce names
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:44pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Samhain and Relating to the Dead... FINALLY! :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <avery> our samhain ritual was one of our best
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <AdamJRoy> cleansing.  it was really great
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <avery> we had a guest bard
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <AnthonyRThompson> How did that work out, avery?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <Linda> It was my last ritual as Sr. Druid
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <AnthonyRThompson> Ahh, the Great Release :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <Linda> (yippee)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <AnthonyRThompson> congrats, Linda
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <avery> it worked really super-duper
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:45pm <AnthonyRThompson> Always a great triumph when your children can go out on their own and survive :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:46pm <Linda> Our bard used to be one of our members
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:46pm <AnthonyRThompson> Ah
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:46pm <AdamJRoy> yay for boomerang effect
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:46pm <avery> he wrote a new tune to the lady brigit song
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:46pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, whoa Mercury Retrograde :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:46pm <Linda> it was cool, though.  He had asked if he could sing some of his songs during the praise offerings, and I asked him to sing them as part of the ritual
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <AnthonyRThompson> Great!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <Linda> He left because he is really more wiccan... but he very much likes scholarship, so he did the DP first before he left
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <AnthonyRThompson> Any chance of recording the different tune?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <Linda> yes, I have it on a tape
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <Linda> I am going to learn it
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <AdamJRoy> score
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <AnthonyRThompson> Sweet, send it along if you can (if it's digital)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <avery> i can put the tape on mp3 if you want
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:47pm <Linda> It's the same words as the Peggy Khan song, but different tune
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <AnthonyRThompson> I wrote an omen song, and just e-mailed my grove to have them remind me to record it after one of our grove meetings
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <Linda> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yep, that's the one I figured :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <AnthonyRThompson> We currently use Phoenix's Brighid song
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <avery> and we used linda's new waters of life song
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <AnthonyRThompson> (Birgita, Birgita, goddess of the flame...)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <Linda> I don't know that one
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:48pm <RomanDruid> <-- loves Linda's waters of life song, but is having trouble getting others on the bandwagon
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:49pm <AnthonyRThompson> http://www.adf.org/rituals/chants/bardic-inspiration/birgita.html
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:49pm <AnthonyRThompson> Send that one too if you can, Linda (your new waters of life song)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:49pm <Linda> on an mp3?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:49pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, or whatever, as long as it's vaguely convertable, such as WAV
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:49pm <avery> romandruid: it's "...love, strength and magic" now. she had to add a word to make it 3
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:50pm <Linda> and to make it the three functions
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:50pm <avery> i can make anything digital, i have the technology
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:50pm <RomanDruid> I do like love, strength & magic... I also reserve the right to wing it to suit the omen, if I can. :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:50pm <Linda> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:50pm <avery> lps, cassettes, whatever
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:50pm <Linda> it's folk music
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:51pm <Linda> so, sure....  create away :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:51pm <Linda> Anthony, do you sing that for bardic inspiration?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:51pm <RomanDruid> I wish I could write chants. :(
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:51pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yes
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <AnthonyRThompson> Jenni, you write great poetry, so why not chants?  Team up with someone else to do the music
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <RomanDruid> I don't know... I've certainly tried
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <avery> i heard a native american song very much like the earth mother song
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <RomanDruid> I can filk with the best of 'em though
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <AdamJRoy> woot
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <AnthonyRThompson> There you go :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Bardry
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:52pm <Linda> We are going to start having Bardic nights in January
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:53pm <Linda> first Friday of the month
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:53pm <Linda> instead of drumming circles (although I suspect that there will also be drumming)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:53pm <RomanDruid> why not both?
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:53pm <Linda> LOL - as long as I don't have to lead them!!!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:53pm <RomanDruid> I'm hoping to get in on a local "salon" poetry writing group in January... if I can manage the Saturdays
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:54pm <Linda> that would be cool.... I'd like to join a writing group again
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:55pm <avery> i like the word "salon"
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:55pm <RomanDruid> it would be awesome to get into this group... *crosses fingers*
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:55pm <RomanDruid> me too
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:55pm <RomanDruid> it's with the owner of Pudding House Press (puddinghouse.com) -- she's an amazing poet
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:56pm <Linda> Cool!
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:56pm <RomanDruid> sorry to hijack the conversation, guys :(
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:56pm <KJPendergraft> Gah! Wander away a few minutes to do laundry and I come back to poetry.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:56pm <AnthonyRThompson> NP
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:56pm <avery> i go for the mom-and-pop poetry publications
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:56pm <AnthonyRThompson> We've been drifting from topic to topic anyway :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <avery> i didnt know "bardry" was a word
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <AnthonyRThompson> It is now ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm * KJPendergraft wonders which high day would be suitable for a reading of Jabberwocky.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <Linda> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <AdamJRoy> lol hijack away, I have interest in bardish stuff, just no experience to input. Sponging here
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <AnthonyRThompson> Actually, it sounds like something that would (or certainly could) come out of Ian's mouth :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <RomanDruid> Dragynfyre used to recite Jabberwocky *remembering fondly*
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <Linda> I love that poem
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:57pm <avery> one of the equinoxes i think
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:58pm <RomanDruid> I'm not crazy about it, but I love to hear it recited :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:58pm <KJPendergraft> I often like recitation of poems more than reading.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:59pm <avery> there is debate amoungst carrol scholars as to the correct pronounciation of the word "gyre" and "silthy"
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:59pm <KJPendergraft> And Garrison Keillor has the best voice for poetry.
Sun Nov 19 2006 8:59pm <Linda> yay, Garrison Keillor!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:00pm <Linda> I thought it was "jire" and slithy (with short i)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:00pm <Beth> Can't go wrong with Keillor telling a story- even when it's just about Bob's Bank or Raw Bits.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:00pm <RomanDruid> he's BEST at cowboy poetry :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:01pm <Linda> I really just like the way he tells a story
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:02pm <AnthonyRThompson> Storytelling rulz
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:02pm <AnthonyRThompson> I definitely plan to go down that route in the Bardic Guild, when I ever have time to do anything in the Bardic Guild that is ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:02pm <Linda> yeah, I can relate to that
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:03pm <Linda> although I will probably do poetry
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:03pm <KJPendergraft> I need focus on finishing the DP.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:03pm <Linda> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:03pm <KJPendergraft> May have to breakdown and get a mentor.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:03pm <AdamJRoy> amen to that, I have so much writing to catch up on
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:03pm <KJPendergraft> Actually, I need a slave driver.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:04pm <Linda> I need to really get going on the GSP, myself....  I am the BEST procrastinator
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:04pm <RomanDruid> sounds like a good virtue -- self-discipline :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:04pm * KJPendergraft imagines a steering wheel sticking out of his back ...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:04pm <AnthonyRThompson> You and me both, Linda
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:04pm <Beth> You're not alone.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:04pm <AdamJRoy> for sure
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <KJPendergraft> "Hello. My name is Kelly and I am a DP procrastinator."
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <Linda> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> DP took me a few years, I'll admit
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <Linda> me too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> With several starts and stops
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <RomanDruid> me too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> Nothing like a deadline to get you motivated though
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> Thanks to RomanDruid for that ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <Linda> true
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:05pm <RomanDruid> then I made a vow at Wellspring one year...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <RomanDruid> then came home and finished it all up the next weekend (Memorial Day weekend) and turned it in. *grin*
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <RomanDruid> I gave you a deadline?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <Linda> I had a deadline also, which I also oathed to
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, 1 year for the Old DP requirements :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <Linda> so, I made a point of getting it done
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <Beth> I got it done because the deadline was coming up for getting it done under the old rules.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <AnthonyRThompson> Not you per se, though you ended up being the Hammer on it ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:06pm <Linda> but I used the new rules, even though I COULD have done it by the old
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <AnthonyRThompson> Me too, beth :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <KJPendergraft> The Hammer!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <AdamJRoy> not a bad idea, I should set a time and stick to it
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <RomanDruid> ah
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <avery> how long are these chats supposed to last?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <AnthonyRThompson> 2 hours
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <AdamJRoy> if only I had followed Mike's D through the wheel of the year, that would've helped
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:07pm <avery> kool
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:08pm <Linda> I think it does help to have "lessons"
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:08pm <RomanDruid> I find that -- for me -- it's just a matter of resolving to do it, then setting aside the time to hammer away at it with a HUGE effort
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:08pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yes, agreed
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:09pm <AdamJRoy> right, i have loads of free time, just lacking the resolve to finish the tasks, I'm fussing with the layout
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:09pm <Linda> Yeah, it needs to become the priority
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:09pm <KJPendergraft> If I would just force myself to write things out as they occur I would be so far ahead.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:09pm <RomanDruid> in the past three weeks, I've hammered out five of the GSP/CTP/SGSP/LGSP courses -- it CAN be done
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:09pm <AdamJRoy> sweet! go you
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:09pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: DP and Other ADF Programs
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:09pm <Linda> yeah... I just haven't had time
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <Linda> but I will
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, MJD banged out a whole bunch in a short period of time
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <AnthonyRThompson> (IIRC)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <Linda> hehehe - I suppose I could be doing it right now, rather than in this chat ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <AdamJRoy> lol shush Linda
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm *** ADFGuest9372 has joined: #adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <Linda> yes, MJD did a bunch in like a weekend
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <Linda> but then had to redo some of them
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <Linda> still - at least he did it!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:10pm <RomanDruid> yes, well...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:11pm <RomanDruid> er
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:11pm <RomanDruid> <--biting tongue
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:11pm <Linda> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:11pm *** ADFGuest9372 is now known as: rachael
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:11pm <AnthonyRThompson> Heh heh
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:11pm <Linda> I often feel that if I just START them, I'd be on my way
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:12pm <AnthonyRThompson> Greetings Rachael :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:12pm <KJPendergraft> heyla Rachael
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:12pm <AdamJRoy> heya Racheal
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:12pm <Beth> Well begun is half done- or something like that.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:12pm <rachael> hi! this wasnt' so tough! 
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:12pm <AnthonyRThompson> Great!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:13pm <rachael> I used to do the really old irc but didnt' know if it still worked the same, glad to see it does :) sorry to butt in
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:14pm <AdamJRoy> the more the merrier =)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, IRC isn't exactly a fast-changing technology
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:14pm <KJPendergraft> The Java cliet is working very well. I generally usually Trillian.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> It's kind of like Usenet - hasn't changed a lot, and lots of folks have forgotten about it :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> Great!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:15pm <avery> and you can still use  color
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:15pm <AdamJRoy> oooh, pretty!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:15pm <Beth> Oooooo
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:15pm <rachael> yes, i clicked on the java client link that was on the email that anthony sent out, it seemed to work great, i havent' used irc in many years
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:15pm <rachael> had the old shareware version many computers ago
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:15pm * AnthonyRThompson is relieved to hear that!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:16pm <AdamJRoy> yep, followed the e-mail link here too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:16pm * RomanDruid trying to remember all the tags
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:16pm <avery> hasnt changed much
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:16pm <RomanDruid> (aha!)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:16pm <AnthonyRThompson> Good to know ppl actually read that e-mail, I remember thinking it was a bit rambly after writing it
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:16pm <rachael> <--amazed  remembered how to change my nick
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:17pm * RomanDruid is amazed at how no one has usurped her nick STILL!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:17pm <AnthonyRThompson> Heh heh
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:17pm <RomanDruid> *snicker*
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:17pm <AdamJRoy> I'm only on Announce and my regional, it was hard to miss
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:17pm <AdamJRoy> but seeing as how there's 60 of 'em, I may do some browsing
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:18pm <KJPendergraft> Some of the lists are sparse to say the least.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:18pm * KJPendergraft kicks Naturalists Guild list
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:18pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yep, they are :-/
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:18pm <rachael> lol...darn, what's the command for thinking /msg? i forget :P. okay, so was there any on topic discussion before I butted in? 
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> Not really
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> On topic? What's that?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> What is this, an ADF list?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <AdamJRoy> it was pretty free flow
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> I don't see any JenP here, do you???
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:19pm <rachael> whew...okay
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:20pm <Linda> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:20pm <rachael> at least this got my mind off playing that new game my son got me hooked on...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:20pm <rachael> runscape, you guys ever play that? 
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> no, heard of it though
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:20pm <Beth> Nope.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:20pm <AdamJRoy> nope, not yet
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> I haven't played any video games since Doom
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <AdamJRoy> Woot @ Doom
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <KJPendergraft> Doom?! Egads.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <rachael> gosh it's like, sims  d & d style
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <AnthonyRThompson> I learned, when it impacted my college studies, to avoid VR games and MUDs :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <rachael> exactly
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm * KJPendergraft is a Total War fiend
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <AdamJRoy> I'm currently trying to stave off my EverCrack withdrawl...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <AnthonyRThompson> I also usually avoid IM as it tends to be a huge time sink
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:21pm <Beth> Ah, nights spent in the computer room playing Dungeo! And mornings spent sleeping through class..
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:22pm <AnthonyRThompson> I *loved* the South Park which made fun of MMORPGs
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:22pm <AnthonyRThompson> But that's even more off topic than ever so I'll cease that ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:22pm <AdamJRoy> aww poo
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:22pm <rachael> good plan..i've done enough smithing for the evening
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:22pm <KJPendergraft> I did get my altar dusted this afternoon and plan to get re-acquainted with it this evening after 3 weeks of travel.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> Cool
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> What's on it?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:23pm <AdamJRoy> Go anywhere neat?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:24pm <KJPendergraft> I am a minimalist. Tree, well, fire rocks, feather, drinking horn, offering bowl
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:24pm <KJPendergraft> oops ... fire and rocks
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:24pm <KJPendergraft> not fire rocks
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:24pm <Beth> I accidently asperged my altar while attempting to water the plants (I have one of those hose things).
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:24pm <AdamJRoy> lol whoops
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:24pm <AnthonyRThompson> Minimalism rocks :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:24pm <avery> what is runescape like?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:25pm <rachael> i have a bad habit of accumulating extra things on my altar, how do you avoid adding too much?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:25pm <avery> is it like...runes and stuff?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:25pm <KJPendergraft> I finally had my traveling altar exactly as I liked it and the small bowl I used to hold water got cracked during my return home.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:25pm <KJPendergraft> Grrrrr!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:25pm <rachael> runescape has everyting from praying to smithing to crafting to magic....
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:25pm <avery> ok, so its like wow and ffxi
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> Rachael, I avoid it by having cats
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> If the altar gets too full, they will perform a periodic Altar Cleaning Service for me
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> Free of charge, too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:26pm <AdamJRoy> I use two altars, one with fire, well, tree, incense and scrying crystal, the other holds all the busy work
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:26pm <avery> i mean, what's the setting? is it all nordic? or more generic fantasy?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:26pm <AdamJRoy> lol yep, cats are handy too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:27pm <RomanDruid> Ludi recently had his first I-really-don't-want-to-be-near-the-candle experience
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:27pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Altars
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:27pm <KJPendergraft> I have no pets so my altar is safe.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:27pm <AdamJRoy> lol I wish mine would, the female has no respect for fire whatsoever
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:28pm <avery> i have a pet rock
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:28pm <KJPendergraft> My altar just suffers the occasional dust bunny attack.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:28pm <RomanDruid> but since I moved to the house I live in now, I don't have a single altar at all
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:28pm <KJPendergraft> My desk is clearly a shrine to some sort of Chaos force.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:28pm <Linda> my cats never go near my altar, for which I am most grateful
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm <RomanDruid> my house has a "plant ledge" where all the Olympian deities reside...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm *** Nicolle has joined: #adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm * AnthonyRThompson greets Nicolle
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm <KJPendergraft> Would that make them the Ledgian Gods?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm <RomanDruid> another shelf in the "media niche" where the deities who are more of this realm reside
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm <Nicolle> Greetings all!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm <AdamJRoy> Heya Nicolle
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:29pm <AnthonyRThompson> cute
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <RomanDruid> and then there are the Penates (including Vesta) who tend to hang out in the kitchen
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <Nicolle> what are y'all talking about?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <rachael> well i have two altars, the house altar in the living room which the mantle above the fireplace
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <RomanDruid> so when I do domestic and/or other rites at home, I sort of wander around among them all
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <Linda> I have a meditation altar in my room, and a hearth altar on the fireplace
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <AnthonyRThompson> Btw, Jenni, have I told you how wonderful your articles on Roman religion are, lately?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <KJPendergraft> Which reminds me, the fireplace needs cleaned before too long.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:30pm <rachael> and my personal one upstairs..but i still seems to have stuff end up on them for later use
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:31pm <AdamJRoy> an actual fireplace? *sniff*
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:31pm <AnthonyRThompson> (see http://www.adf.org/rituals/roman/ - "Basic Principles of Roman Religion" and "Introduction to Private Worship"
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:31pm <KJPendergraft> Well I am fortunate to own my home.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:31pm <Nicolle> i wish i had an acutal fireplace, but its just not feasible here in n.o.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:32pm <RomanDruid> thanks, Anthony... I think I need to update some of them though
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:32pm <Nicolle> three of my altars are shelves and the other is the top of a dresser
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:32pm <AnthonyRThompson> yeah, I figured. You are an incessant perfectionist :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:32pm <AnthonyRThompson> (and I mean that in the nicest way, Jenni :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:32pm <RomanDruid> (I keep changing... well, yeah... refining)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:33pm <RomanDruid> (you'd probably get a big kick out of my GSP work then)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:33pm <rachael> you ever going to publich any of those articles? 
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:33pm <AdamJRoy> I'm dreading the GSP.  If I'm this slow with the DP that'll take forever
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:34pm <rachael> publish? darn cold fingers....
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:34pm <RomanDruid> I'm finding it's really interesting working on the domestic cult requirement for the Liturgist Guild Study Program
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:34pm <AnthonyRThompson> One day at a time, Adam, one day at a time :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:34pm <AnthonyRThompson> Tell us about the requirement
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:34pm <rachael> yikes, make it sound like a 12 step program
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:34pm <AdamJRoy> I don't recall Patience among the virtues =P
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:34pm <rachael> thank <insert Kindred here>
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:35pm <AdamJRoy> oh, it's not the requirements, it's my pet project related ot the structure
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:35pm <RomanDruid> just a sec... I'll find it
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> Well, it's actually an 11-step program (the DP :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:36pm <RomanDruid> ok... here's the course objective...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:36pm <AdamJRoy> I'm trying to combine the triads into one format, a very non-indo-european pyramid, and teh overhead view is driving me crazy
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:36pm <RomanDruid> Students will develop new (or document existing) personal and/or family worship customs, such as morning devotions, meal offerings, or seasonal observances. Students will research worship customs of ADF and/or from a chosen Indo-European culture-whether historical or reconstructed and begin to implement these customs within the home setting (or other personal, rather than large group, context). These personal and/or household rituals o
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:36pm <RomanDruid> NOTE: This course assumes the student is working with at least one hearth culture. In completing the Dedicant Program, the student will have begun to explore this culture, including the reading of at least one book as the subject for a review. For students who may wish for further study-or who may wish to explore another cultural focus-the following books are possible resources to consult as needed.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> Nice
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> Do people ask about the word "cult" at all?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> I mean, *I* know what's meant, but that's only really through years of seeing it used the way we (esp. Ian) use it
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> It's one of those "loaded" words, like "sacrifice"
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:37pm <AdamJRoy> It can be a very triggerish word
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:38pm <RomanDruid> hum
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:38pm <RomanDruid> never really thought about "cult" as a trigger word... hmmm
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> Though I guess one has to have gone through the DP to get to the LitG SP, so maybe "cult" will have been introduced in our context there
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:38pm <RomanDruid> any suggestions as to an alternative?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:38pm <avery> cult is from the same root as "culture"
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:38pm <KJPendergraft> So do you have to shave your head?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:38pm <RomanDruid> good point, Avery!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:39pm <AdamJRoy> right, anyone who's got this far will likely have abandoned any prejudiced views on the word, should be safe enough
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> Well, I think they mean to elaborate on one's domestic religious practice
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> So Practice is one word, though that's open to misinterpretation too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> It's probably fine to leave it as is
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:39pm <AdamJRoy> No refining for joo!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:39pm <AnthonyRThompson> I just think you'll get questions every now and then, and once you explain it that's fine :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:39pm <RomanDruid> heheh
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Sun Nov 19 2006 9:40pm <RomanDruid> "practice" can mean you're 'just practicing for the real thing' too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:40pm <AnthonyRThompson> Kelly was taken away by the other members of his Domestic Cult - no IRC-ing allowed in their cult!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:40pm <AnthonyRThompson> ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:40pm <RomanDruid> as Yoda would say...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:40pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yes, exactly
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:40pm <RomanDruid> "Don't try; do."
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:41pm <AnthonyRThompson> Which is why we should just stick with cult and explain it when qusetions come up :0
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:41pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:41pm * RomanDruid is having a very hard time ignoring Ludi's pleas to come to bed...
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:41pm <AnthonyRThompson> Nicolle, you're quiet - any comments on the DP or (gasp) the "official" topic, Relating to the Dead ? :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:41pm <RomanDruid> (it's past our bedtime)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:41pm <RomanDruid> brb
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:41pm <AdamJRoy> lol oh yeah, there was a topic
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:42pm <Nicolle> i wish i had some comments on the DP. i am having trouble finding time to worl on it with a toddler.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:42pm <Nicolle> ooops i mean work
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:42pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'll be putting a DP Progress Tracker spreadsheet someone created, up on the website soon
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:42pm <AdamJRoy> oooh, braver than I, kids are scary
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:42pm <AnthonyRThompson> FWIW
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:42pm <avery> our grove uses those, check lists
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Sun Nov 19 2006 9:43pm <Nicolle> yes she can be very scary. now that she is trying to walk especially
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:43pm <AnthonyRThompson> Is the WotY helpful?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:43pm <AnthonyRThompson> Honestly, I was a little intimidated by it when I read it, I thought it seemed to add more work to the DP
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:44pm <AnthonyRThompson> But I suppose it really just provides more structure to work through it consistently, bit by bit
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:44pm <avery> i dunno, i finished mine before it came out
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:44pm <AnthonyRThompson> I see the value, but personally I prefer to dart in an out of the requirements
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:44pm <Nicolle> i dont have trouble finding time for the rituals or even the essays. i have trouble quieting the mind for more than 2 seconds a day to meditate.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:44pm <AnthonyRThompson> (and personally, that's not usually very effective and leads to lots of procrastination, so there ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:45pm <AdamJRoy> lol yeah, I'm blaming my procrastination on lack of structure.  No grove means no one to yell at me when i take a day off =)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:45pm <Nicolle> someone on the dedicants lists says she meditates in the shower, and that might be benefical to me
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:45pm <Nicolle> because pre-Bridget i did alot of meditating, and i see the value in it.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:46pm <AdamJRoy> yep, cleansing, refreshing, solitude optional
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:46pm <Nicolle> and quiet never, that is something that i miss alot sometimes
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:46pm <avery> some people do tai chi or another moving meditation
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:46pm * AnthonyRThompson adds WotY to the ADF acronym page at http://www.adf.org/members/org/acronyms.html
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:47pm <Nicolle> and i should get back into something like that again
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:47pm <RomanDruid> re: meditation... the fact that a lot of people find it so challenging just reinforces (in my mind) how much we really need to be doing this more
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:47pm <avery> you dont have to sit quiet and still to meet the requirement
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:47pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Meditation
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:47pm <AnthonyRThompson> I agree!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:47pm <rachael> i find myself doing lots of meditation over the past two years since starting the dp, just never writing about any of it for the documetation progress
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:48pm <Nicolle> i totally agree avery
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:48pm <AnthonyRThompson> Which, I think, was actually a bit of a loss (changing the requirement)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:48pm * RomanDruid apologizes for changing the topic AGAIN
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:48pm <AdamJRoy> it's been amazing on this end, particularly Ian's Working Magic with the Two Powers.  Huge breakthroughs here
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:48pm <Beth> I have found that guided meditation helps me de-stress.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:48pm <AnthonyRThompson> Great!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:50pm <Nicolle> and maybe thats what i need to do, cause sometimes my days are hella stressful, just load up that two powers meditation ian does and sit quiet for a few
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:50pm <AdamJRoy> yeah, having a model to follow is nice, esp. with vocal component.  Helps to focus without tension
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:50pm <AnthonyRThompson> You know about the recordings of the Two Powers, right Adam?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:50pm <AdamJRoy> Yeah, I have a copy of it sitting in my player right now =) listen to it daily
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:50pm <AnthonyRThompson> Cool :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:50pm <RomanDruid> many of us STILL struggle with meditation -- I think I always will
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:50pm <avery> you can meditate while walking
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <AnthonyRThompson> Me too
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Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <avery> or while painting
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <RomanDruid> however, I do believe that the practice I've put into it has been invaluable in helping me hone my "mental discipline" skills
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <AnthonyRThompson> Greetings, Gwalchmei
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <Gwalchmei> Good evening.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <RomanDruid> (if that makes sense...)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <Linda> Kirk and I are going to make some self-hypnosis tapes to help with meditation and stuff
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:51pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, the ritual magicians will say it's all about mental discipline
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <AdamJRoy> walking is totally good, rhythm helping to access sub-conscious
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <Beth> That's an interesting idea- I hadn't thought about that.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <AnthonyRThompson> (and they're probably right most of the time on that)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <AnthonyRThompson> Linda, that would be great!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <Linda> yeah, I did that from a ritual magic pov for 20 years, so the meditation requirement was the easiest for me!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <RomanDruid> well, it makes a huge difference in being able to maintain focus during ritual
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <Nicolle> i walked quite a bit when i was pregnant, thanks for the idea!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <AnthonyRThompson> After running rituals in my grove for so long, I find it very hard to be "just" a participant
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:52pm <RomanDruid> if you have trouble meditating for a few minutes, you'd run into that same problem in ritual
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <AnthonyRThompson> Meaning, my mind often analyzes various parts of the ritual as if I was running it
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <RomanDruid> and that goes double if you're the one officiating
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <AnthonyRThompson> There's that mental discipline thing again :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <RomanDruid> exactly
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <AnthonyRThompson> I find that the rhythmic breathing is the key
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <RomanDruid> Kirk does a really good workshop on focus in ritual
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <AnthonyRThompson> Works for walking, too
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <RomanDruid> yup
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <AnthonyRThompson> Cool, let's get it taped then (Kirk's workshop :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:53pm <AdamJRoy> "you made me lose my place, now I have to start over.  Hecate hates that!"
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:54pm <AnthonyRThompson> Hecate Smites Thee for Losing Thy Place ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:54pm <RomanDruid> I'm still amazed at how often I  now realize, "Hey, I'm not breathing!" and taking a few deep breaths solves everything.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:54pm <AdamJRoy> yeah, breath is totally the key.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:54pm <RomanDruid> (well, that would be a bit of an exaggeration..)
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:55pm <AdamJRoy> lol everything relavent, at least
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:55pm <RomanDruid> I used to REALLY enjoy meditating while exercising
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:55pm <avery> i like what robert anton wilson says his meditation is, it is a very advanced form of buddhist meditation which consists of sitting down to listen to rush limbaugh in the morning, which a buddhist who has attained supreme enlightenment can do for about five minutes without wanting to blow up the studio
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:56pm <RomanDruid> when you get in that rhythm where your breath is synchronized with your movements and the music... that really rocks.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:56pm <AdamJRoy> *snort*
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:56pm <Nicolle> lol @avery
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:56pm <Gwalchmei> *heh*
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:57pm <AdamJRoy> yep, that's one of my fav parts of meditation, realizing how in sync everythign is
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:57pm <avery> i do a lot with deep breathing
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:58pm <Nicolle> well fellow adfers, its been pleasant, but this white rabbit is very late. i must get to bed. i hope these chats continue. its so important for solitaries like me. brightest blessings!
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Sun Nov 19 2006 9:58pm <RomanDruid> I hate to be a party pooper, but I need to scoot off to bed folks. Don't stop chatting just because I'm leaving though, k?
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:58pm <Gwalchmei> I've recently started a fairly intense exercise program, and part of my work with trancework and meditation helps me with it.  I lose myself in the physical activity.
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:58pm <avery> i do really deep powerful breathing for a few minutes and i start vibrating after a while
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:59pm <AdamJRoy> kk, nice to chat with ya Roman /wave
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:59pm <Linda> g'night, Jenni
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:59pm <AnthonyRThompson> That's great, Gwalchmei
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:59pm <AnthonyRThompson> OK, thanks for joining us Jenni!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:59pm <rachael> i was having some decent success with yoga, then deep relaxation journey work
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:59pm <rachael> should have journaled that
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:59pm <RomanDruid> g'night!
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Sun Nov 19 2006 10:00pm <AdamJRoy> I should really try some physical exercise med techniques tai chi, yoga.  I hear so many great things about it
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:00pm *** AnthonyRThompson has changed the topic to: Open Topic (like it wasn't already! :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:00pm <AdamJRoy> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:00pm <Gwalchmei> I'm not up to yoga yet.  I'm still getting used to things like lifting a three pound weight above my head twelve times. (I am sadly, sadly out of shape, and now have medical issues as a result.)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:00pm <Gwalchmei> but someday!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:00pm <avery> yoga isnt about strength
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <AdamJRoy> that's right: someday.  Don't squish the attainable goals =)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <AnthonyRThompson> What's it about, flexibility?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <AnthonyRThompson> focus?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <rachael> yes
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <avery> union
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <rachael> a little of both
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <Gwalchmei> it's not strength.  It's about the fact that I can't touch my own toes.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <AnthonyRThompson> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <avery> pose and counter pose
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <rachael> if you have a proper instructor it shouldnt be about that
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:01pm <Linda> yoga starts wherever you are at
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:02pm <rachael> it shoudl be about moving parts of your body to reconnect parts of your body to each other
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:02pm <rachael> boy, how can i explain it
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:02pm <rachael> more of a whole body approach to sELF?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:02pm <AdamJRoy> darn eastern concepts
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:03pm <avery> connection
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:03pm <Gwalchmei> please, go ahead.  I don't understand it myself.  I just know my trainer suggested I avoid yoga until I get a little more in shape so I don't overstrain myself.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:03pm <rachael> if you have a person that knows what they are doing it shouldn't't matter that you cant' lift a 3 lb weight or touch your toes
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:04pm <rachael> well in some ways a real taichi master shoudl be able to do the same for you
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:04pm <rachael> teach you how to breath
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:04pm <Gwalchmei> *nod*
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:04pm <rachael> then go from there
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:04pm <rachael> *makes a face*
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:04pm <Gwalchmei> it didn't quite come out how you wanted it to?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:04pm <rachael> there are modifications to every pose 
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:05pm <rachael> so that any level should be able to get a benefit out of it
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:05pm <rachael> even if that is sitting in a chair and breathing
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:05pm <Gwalchmei> *nod*
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:05pm <AdamJRoy> I'm gonna bow out, thanks for being here folks, hope to keep this up.  Stay sane, see ya later.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:05pm <rachael> and raising an arm in a certain direction
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:05pm <AnthonyRThompson> Thanks Adam!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:06pm <AnthonyRThompson> Anyone want to volunteer to coordinate future chats?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:06pm <AnthonyRThompson> (monthly)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:06pm <AdamJRoy> ooooh, maybe.  It'd be a shame if this dissolved, and I have lods of spare time
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:06pm <AnthonyRThompson> Doesn't have to be on Sundays, can be whenever works for you. If you coordinate, you get to pick the time :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:06pm <rachael> *pout* i'm not qualified to do any. i haven't finished anything
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:07pm <AnthonyRThompson> (just rememebr that we have folks in several time zones)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:07pm <AnthonyRThompson> Rachael, doesn't matter at all
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:07pm <AdamJRoy> lol me neither, I'm just a busy-body
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:07pm <AnthonyRThompson> It's just a willingness to pick a topic, announce a time ahead-of-time, etc.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:07pm <AnthonyRThompson> You don't have to be an ADF Big Wig or Dedicant or Clergy Poo Bah :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:08pm <rachael> lol...nice titles
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:08pm <AnthonyRThompson> Thanks :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:08pm <AdamJRoy> I'm interested-ish, mind if i get back t oyou on it on LJ later?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:08pm <AnthonyRThompson> Sure, sounds good
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:08pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'm Chirael, if I didn't mention it already :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <AnthonyRThompson> (thhanks!)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <AdamJRoy> kk =) earthshaker_adf here
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <AnthonyRThompson> If anyone else wants to, feel free to e-mail me about it
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <AdamJRoy> alright, honestly leaving this time
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <AnthonyRThompson> OK, thanks Adam, have a good night!
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Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <rachael> bye!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <Beth> Bye
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <Beth> Time for me to bow out too. Books are calling...
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <Gwalchmei> I need to find more ADF people on LJ.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:09pm <Linda> I'm Qorinda
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:10pm *** Signoff: Beth ()
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:10pm <AnthonyRThompson> OK, thanks for stopping in Beth!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:11pm <rachael> okies, well anthony, i'm sure i can think of somehthing to talk about if noone gets back to you soon enough.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:11pm <AnthonyRThompson> Great, thanks :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:11pm <rachael> i wouldnt' mind still chatting if you think there was enough people that showed up
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:11pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, that would be great
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:11pm <Gwalchmei> I'm sorry I wasn't hear earlier.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:11pm <rachael> (besides, i need to get in gear to get things done)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:12pm <AnthonyRThompson> Speaking of Poo Bahs: Gwalchmei or Rachael, any questions for the Poo Bahs that are here (Linda and me)?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:12pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:12pm <rachael> lol
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:12pm <Linda> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:12pm <Linda> well, we are - so to speak
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:12pm <AnthonyRThompson> more or less
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:12pm <Linda> both on the MG and Anthony is Secretary and I am Treasurer
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'd wanted to mention that earlier but ppl cut out so fast I didn't have a chance :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <rachael> gee, you'd think i'd have better prepared with my questions all ready, but i didn't think it would be so easy to get on.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <Gwalchmei> Not really.  I'm working solo through the dedicant program.  No groves really near me for someone who doesn't drive.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> I just know that sometimes ppl have questions they don't think are important enough to ask, but they're nagging anyway
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <Gwalchmei> maybe next time. ^_^
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> (not the people nagging, the questions I mean)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> LOL
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> that's a good problem to have rachael
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:13pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> Either of you doing the mentor thing?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> (if so, how's that working out?)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:14pm <Gwalchmei> not yet.  I'm still trying to decide about it.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:14pm *** Beth has joined: #adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:14pm <AnthonyRThompson> Welcome back Beth :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> We were just asking if there are any ADF questions for the Poo Bahs here, Linda and I
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:15pm <Beth> Is it next Sunday yet?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> LOL
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:15pm <Gwalchmei> I probably should, just to deal with my mysictical powers of inertial.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> We're scaling back to monthly, at least officially, as I think we have a better shot of doing it consistently that way (weekly didn't seem to stick)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:15pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, sometimes it's just having someone THERE, asking you about your progress, that can motivate you
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:16pm <Gwalchmei> *nod*
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:16pm <Gwalchmei> I'll ponder sending something in shortly.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:16pm <Gwalchmei> I just need to write it properly.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:17pm <Beth> I can't recall how to send a private message, so I'm going to have to post here to tell Rachael that I wasn't ignoring her, I didn't see her note until I logged off. And yes, that's me.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:17pm <AnthonyRThompson> You do /msg Nickname your message here
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:17pm <Beth> Thanks. Maybe looking in Help would be a good idea. 
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:18pm <rachael> thanks beth...just saying hi!!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:18pm <Beth> I seem to remember hearing that these chats were very popular at one point. Is that true?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> Hm, couldn't really tell you
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:19pm <Beth> Fair enough.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> I haven't really been to one in about 5 years or so :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> But I'm told, by Vedis if I recall correctly, that she was running them for a few years and people showed up
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:19pm <AnthonyRThompson> Then she moved to the UK and the time difference killed it for her, and no one picked it up afterwards so it kind of died
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:20pm <Linda> this is the ONLY one I have been on
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:20pm <Beth> My only one too.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:20pm <Gwalchmei> myself as well.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> In the Early Days, I think they were popular
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:20pm <AnthonyRThompson> I seem to remember 15-20 people Way Back When
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:21pm <Beth> A reminder might help- I deliberately put the message where I'd see it, but was still late showing up.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:21pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, that's why I want whoever takes it over to 1) post to ADF-Announce to announce the time, topic, and (if any) guest(s), and 2) to post the same to the website at http://www.adf.org/forums/irc/
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:22pm <Beth> Ok, now I really have to go. For good this time! 'Night.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:22pm <Linda> It seems like a good idea
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:22pm <AnthonyRThompson> OK, thanks for coming back, and have a good night
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:23pm *** Signoff: Beth ()
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> Particularly for potential memebrs, I think
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:23pm <Linda> I know my schedule is so erratic that I usually can't make any promises
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:23pm <Linda> in fact, as we chat, I am gathering paperwork for a re-fi, so sorry if I seem somewhat distracted
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:23pm <AnthonyRThompson> NP :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:24pm <AnthonyRThompson> I'm trying to code an HTML version of the bardic guild application for Jenni
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:24pm <Linda> cool!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> Yeah, kinda
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:25pm <AnthonyRThompson> cool for her ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:25pm <Linda> and for the Bardic guild!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:26pm <AnthonyRThompson> True :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:26pm <rachael> yeah cool that someone can do that for all of us!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:26pm <rachael> okay doke, i've got one week left of an extern that has no business being in a medical facility to live though, so i best get off to bed myself!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:27pm <Gwalchmei> sleep well
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:27pm <AnthonyRThompson> Sounds like a good plan :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:27pm <Linda> yeah, and I really need to pay more attention to these papers
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:27pm <AnthonyRThompson> Thanks for stopping by!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:29pm <Linda> ;0
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:30pm <Linda> I mean, :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:30pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:31pm *** Linda has left: #adf
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:33pm <AnthonyRThompson> How bout them druids?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:33pm <AnthonyRThompson> Anyone know anything about divining through coffee grounds, a la Turkish/Greek/Armenian coffee?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:34pm <Gwalchmei> I haven't done much divining, really. Sorry.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> NP
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:35pm <Gwalchmei> I need to get on the horse. I should send in something for the Mentor program.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> I haven't either, at least outside High Days, and assuming you don't count astrology as divining (I'm not sure I do, at least in the normal ADF sense :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:35pm <Gwalchmei> ...and while it's in the block of Finlandia I laughingly refer to as 'my memory', I think I will do tht.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> a request FOR a mentor, or to BE a mentor?
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:35pm <Gwalchmei> FOR.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:35pm <AnthonyRThompson> OK :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> Good plan
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> adf-mentor-request@adf.org, if I didn't say it already
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <Gwalchmei> Sorry, shouldn't be capitalizing a people.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> (I'm pretty sure I did :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <Gwalchmei> at people.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> Or a Vodka
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <AnthonyRThompson> ;)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <rachael> heh....sorry, used to be much faster at typing...night everyone!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:36pm <Gwalchmei> ...oh, that reminds me.  I need to go re-up my membership.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> http://www.adf.org/joining/renew.html
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> Here's a tip:
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:37pm <Gwalchmei> thanks!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> Log into the members website: http://www.adf.org/members/
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:37pm <AnthonyRThompson> and THEN go to the renewal page http://www.adf.org/joining/renew.html
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:37pm <Gwalchmei> Ah, OK
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> I put something on the renewal page that if you're logged in, it will auto-fill most of the fields for you :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:38pm <Gwalchmei> Coolness is.
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:38pm <rachael> night!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> Same thing if you use the special link provided in the renewal reminder e-mail
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> Good night!
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> :)
Sun Nov 19 2006 10:38pm <AnthonyRThompson> OK folks, gotta go, thanks for coming and hope to see you next month!
Sun Nov 19 2006 9:58pm *** Signoff: AnthonyRThompson (Quit: AnthonyRThompson)